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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:42 PM Jul 2014

Prison officers block news crew from tourist site

WILTON (AP) — An upstate New York TV crew was threatened with arrest by corrections officers as they filmed at a public historic site on the grounds of an empty, soon-to-be-closed state prison, the station said.

Mark Mulholland, a reporter for Albany’s NewsChannel 13, was working Thursday on a story about Grant’s Cottage, the site in the Saratoga County town of Wilton where President Ulysses S. Grant died, according to the station’s account. He was confronted by a lieutenant from the Mount McGregor Correctional Facility who said the crew had not gotten prior permission to film and ordered them off the property while demanding their footage.

Officers in the meantime allowed tourists access to the site, the station reported.

Eric Hoppel, the station’s news director, said Friday that Mulholland’s crew had no problem covering re-enactors marking the 129th anniversary of Grant’s death on Wednesday, but ran into trouble returning the next day for footage showing the proximity of Grant’s Cottage to the prison, which is closing Saturday.
- See more at: http://m.herkimertelegram.com/article/20140725/NEWS/140729596/1999/NEWS#sthash.cWwGAb7M.dpuf

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Prison officers block news crew from tourist site (Original Post) hrmjustin Jul 2014 OP
Shortly after moving to the Saratoga Region in 1997... Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #1
Seems tragic. Can't get to a historical site because of a prison. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #2
Bummed the hell out of me at the time... Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #3
You would think they would make accommodations for people. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #4
They did, by restricting access 10 out of 12 months of the year... Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #5
I hope you get to see it soon. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #6
Me too! Apparently, the flowers that surrounded his bed as he passed are still there! Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #7
Wow! They must take great care of the place. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #8
I'm guessing they just don't mess with it... Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #9
Beautiful cabin. I would love to see it someday. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #10
I visited there several times as a little kid, before the prison Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #11
Wow, that must be a blast from the past. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #12
I remember going once with my parents (and grandmother) and think my Dad was even creeped out Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #13
I love cemeteries Horance Greenly is buried right by my brother-in-law's mother. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #14
My grandmother always took us to cemeteries when I was a kid Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #15
Lol a very I teresting place to learn where to drive. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #16
Guess my grandmother had steadier nerves than my parents, LOL Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #17
lol, I never learned how to drive. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #18
It's pretty necessary up here in the North Country Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #19
Mta gets me everywhere. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #20
My Dad wouldn't even drive in the City. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #21
Have you been to Howes Cavern? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #22
Weird, I was just discussing this with a friend on Thursday! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #23
I would too. I went as a kid when we did a trip to the capital region. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #24
I heard that. As you know, I think that's a terrible idea Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #25
Casinos are not doing that great because they are popping up all over the place. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #26
I voted against it. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #27
AC had that happen to it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #28
It's all about the $$$, but we really don't need that type of "tourism." Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #29
16 comapnies are now trying to get licensed to do it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #30
It's all about the $$$ Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #35
And addictive. It will destroy families. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #36
A friend of a friend of mine got stuck at the "Racino" in Saratoga Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #37
Just completely wrong. I wonder how many people that happens to. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38
No doubt more than we ever hear about. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #39
I wonder if the race tracks or casinos feel guilty or do anything to get them home. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #40
I doubt it, must happen pretty frequently. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #41
My cosinworks in one and he says degenerates tend to go there. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42
The track attracts the very rich and very poor. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #43
Sounds like fun. Belmont is fun to go to sometimes. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #44
And many of those same horses come to Saratoga in August Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #45
they got the otb out of this area. it attracted undesirables. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #46
We still have it around here and it certainly does... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #54
I saw the state set up hearing dates for casinos. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #56
Very cool link, thanks! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #58
It looks like it is here to stay. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #59
Glad you signed up for mirt again. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #53
And I'm so glad that you did, as well! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #55
Yeah. should be cool. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #57
I agree that this looks like a great MIRT team, lots of terrific MIRTers are back... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #60
yeah I am not sure lumping lbn with the rest is a great idea. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #61
That's pretty much what happened with the mods, as well. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #62
I notice group hosts are getting the boot. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #63
Well, they just can't post in the host forum. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #64
are you going to sign up? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #65
Do you have to sign up again for it? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #66
yeah you will likely get on right away. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #67
Are they choosing hosts like they chose mods? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #68
You have to be star member and no hides. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #69
Oh! I guess I missed that! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #70
lol there will be pissed off people tomorrow but they got a days warning. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #71
Yup, just read the post for the third time and I caught it, LOL. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #72
I think non active hosts need to be removed. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #73
I agree. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #74
or people we know never show up. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #75
There has always been a few who forget or never show up Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #76
How can you forget mirt? the pms are never ending. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #77
I know!!! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #78
oh I get rid of it right away. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #79
I tend to like to look back Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #80
they all become a blur after awhile. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #81
I wish I was as good at remembering names as some are. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #82
Why don't they have one? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #83
I'm not sure, but that would be at the top of my wish list. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #84
maybe I will get to an ata post about it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #85
That's a good idea, have often considered it, but am reluctant to bring up MIRT topics there Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #86
Clear skies and cool here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #87
It's been hot as blazes here numerous times so far this summer Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #88
We had heat but nothing that bad. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #89
I can't remember exactly, but it was at least April Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #90
Time Warner Cable News/Siena College Poll: Upstate Voters Would Seek Employment At Casinos hrmjustin Jul 2014 #91
Its a closed prison with no inmates....effective today no CO's too. Historic NY Jul 2014 #31
Not surprised the media did not do their job. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #32
In the end they did win out... Historic NY Jul 2014 #33
Yes. Have you been to the site? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #34
That's what this is all about. ABCin2014 Jul 2014 #47
Its a public historic site.... Historic NY Jul 2014 #48
The Lt. Was just following orders. ABCin2014 Jul 2014 #49
True. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #50
Prison closing could affect historic Grant site hrmjustin Jul 2014 #51
editorial: Apology is owed to WNYT-TV NewsChannel 13 crew. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #52
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. Shortly after moving to the Saratoga Region in 1997...
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jul 2014

...I made a beeline to Grant's Cottage, only to find it was on the grounds of a correctional facility. I was denied access to an important historic site because it was "off season" (it was June). Cannot WAIT for the goddamned prison to close so I can see General Grant's cottage!

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
5. They did, by restricting access 10 out of 12 months of the year...
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jul 2014

Love or hate General Grant (I happen to like him), this is where he spent his last days. From what I've read, the state of the cottage is exactly the way it was the day he died (to a history junkie like me, that's freakin' HEROIN!). But, I was denied access.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
7. Me too! Apparently, the flowers that surrounded his bed as he passed are still there!
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jul 2014

A bit wilted, but the same friggin' flowers! For history nut me, overwhelming!!!!

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
11. I visited there several times as a little kid, before the prison
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jul 2014

My grandmother was big on taking us to all kinds of historic sites around here and she was friendly with the elderly Japanese lady who was the caretaker of Grant's Cottage. The last time I tried visiting must have been in the '80s, after the prison was there, and the guards with guns nearby were intimidating enough that I just turned around and got out of there!

Having been inside numerous times, it's actually kind of creepy. The clock is stopped at the minute of General Grant's death, his dusty funeral flowers are preserved there as well as his used bandages, believe he died of throat cancer.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. Wow, that must be a blast from the past.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jul 2014

I can't get over the bandages and the flowers still being there.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
13. I remember going once with my parents (and grandmother) and think my Dad was even creeped out
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jul 2014

But my grandmother was great at taking us to all kinds of historical places - and there sure are a lot around here - and I'm grateful for it. My grandmother is buried in the same cemetery as Jane McCrea, of Revolutionary War fame. That was the incident that disturbed me greatly as a little kid. There are numerous graphic paintings of her being scalped by American Indians.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. I love cemeteries Horance Greenly is buried right by my brother-in-law's mother.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jul 2014

Greenwood Cemetery here in Brooklyn is great to walk around in.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
15. My grandmother always took us to cemeteries when I was a kid
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jul 2014

Guess that was her way of entertaining us, LOL, but I learned to appreciate the history there. She was the only one in my family who took me out when I was learning to drive, would take me to cemeteries to practice turning...

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
19. It's pretty necessary up here in the North Country
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jul 2014

Nothing is within walking distance and the only public transportation is taxi service. There are buses in Glens Falls, and a summer trolley service to Lake George, but they don't come anywhere near me.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
21. My Dad wouldn't even drive in the City.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jul 2014

The first time I flew overseas, went to Ireland when I was a teenager, my mother insisted that my parents take me to the airport. My Dad refused, so my grandmother drove me to my uncle's in New Jersey and he took me to JFK.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
23. Weird, I was just discussing this with a friend on Thursday!
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jul 2014

Yes, I went there with my fifth grade class, LOL, would really like to go back sometime!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
24. I would too. I went as a kid when we did a trip to the capital region.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jul 2014

They want to make a casino near there.

I also remember the smaller Secret Caverns.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
25. I heard that. As you know, I think that's a terrible idea
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jul 2014

We have enough issues without bringing more gambling to the area.

A couple of years ago my cousin, who currently lives in Connecticut, wanted to meet my brother and me at Howe's Caverns, an excuse to get together, but my brother wouldn't go.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
26. Casinos are not doing that great because they are popping up all over the place.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jul 2014

I really wish they did not vote for these things.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
27. I voted against it.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:04 PM
Jul 2014

I grew up in Saratoga. In the summer, when the track was open, all kinds of undesirables came to town along with the racing set and the beautiful horses.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
29. It's all about the $$$, but we really don't need that type of "tourism."
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jul 2014

The ones we get now are bad enough...

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
37. A friend of a friend of mine got stuck at the "Racino" in Saratoga
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jul 2014

Apparently she spent all her money and had no way home. She has serious addiction problems.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
39. No doubt more than we ever hear about.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jul 2014

The only time we ever hear about these things is if someone gets in legal trouble.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
41. I doubt it, must happen pretty frequently.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jul 2014

When I was a kid, my friend's stepfather worked summers at the $50 window at the track. He acquired all kinds of "friends" who'd regularly stop by just to say hello, since nobody knew they weren't actually betting.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
43. The track attracts the very rich and very poor.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jul 2014

My Dad used to take us to see the horses. We'd sit with the rich people in the mayor's box.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
58. Very cool link, thanks!
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jul 2014

As you know, I grew up in Saratoga, now it's about 20 minutes south. With the track as their biggest tourist card, I don't think a prohibition on casino gambling stands a chance.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
55. And I'm so glad that you did, as well!
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jul 2014

You've been doing a super job! And it now looks like we're on the same MIRT schedule...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
57. Yeah. should be cool.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:18 AM
Jul 2014

The team seems like a good one. I am also glad skinner is making changes to the host forum.

I won't miss access to it.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
60. I agree that this looks like a great MIRT team, lots of terrific MIRTers are back...
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:24 AM
Jul 2014

As for the host forum changes, I'm a "wait and see," though I'm kinda bummed since the forums I'm a host for, especially LBN, have long time and experienced hosts who have gotten used to working well together.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
61. yeah I am not sure lumping lbn with the rest is a great idea.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jul 2014

We shall see. I won't miss the forum.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
62. That's pretty much what happened with the mods, as well.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:37 AM
Jul 2014

When I was first a mod, back in 2007, we all worked with separate forums. I was an LBN mod back then. But when I came back a couple of years later, all the mods worked together on all the forums and it worked well, but I'm not sure how it will work with the hosts. First of all, will all the hosts for all the forums remain as hosts? I'll be cool with it if there's no fighting. When I was a mod, we got along pretty much the same way we do in MIRT.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
64. Well, they just can't post in the host forum.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jul 2014

That may be a good thing, since we've had a couple of them that were disruptive, like the one who objected to locking anything in LBN. Guess we'll see...

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
66. Do you have to sign up again for it?
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jul 2014

I'm already a host in four of the major forums and have been for quite awhile...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
67. yeah you will likely get on right away.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jul 2014

I will stick to the two groups I host and mirt. I will be getting a new star in the next few months.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
68. Are they choosing hosts like they chose mods?
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:52 AM
Jul 2014

I didn't read anything about current hosts being ineligible unless they had hidden posts.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
69. You have to be star member and no hides.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:56 AM
Jul 2014

30 members will be chosen tomorrow from the top of the lists of forum hosts. It might be a mess at first but people will deal with it.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
70. Oh! I guess I missed that!
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jul 2014

But I guess many of the others didn't. I would imagine that most of the current hosts fit those qualifications...

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
72. Yup, just read the post for the third time and I caught it, LOL.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:01 AM
Jul 2014

From my perspective, I think the most active hosts should be chosen.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
74. I agree.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jul 2014

Sometimes when we get an alert late at night, I take a look at the list to see who might still be around - and I often notice names I've never seen.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
75. or people we know never show up.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:12 AM
Jul 2014

The whole idea was to have a large group that can be on different hours of the day but some seem to forget or just want access to the room.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
76. There has always been a few who forget or never show up
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:29 AM
Jul 2014

But that was occasionally true with the mods - or on MIRT, as you know. We seem to have good coverage in the morning, have a couple of super LBN mods who always check in, but I'm always looking for who else might be around at night... Last night I must have nuked DTG a half dozen times after midnight.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
82. I wish I was as good at remembering names as some are.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jul 2014

Though it would help a great deal if we had Forum Search.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
84. I'm not sure, but that would be at the top of my wish list.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jul 2014

Sometimes I'm sure we've discussed someone before, but I'm practically cross eyed after going through numerous previous pages...

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
86. That's a good idea, have often considered it, but am reluctant to bring up MIRT topics there
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:57 AM
Jul 2014

And the weather has been just awful here! It started raining last night, lightning and thunder, but when I got up today it was worse, teeming rain with a vengeance, and it's not over yet!

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
88. It's been hot as blazes here numerous times so far this summer
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:06 AM
Jul 2014

I can't imagine living without AC these days, and I live right next to the mountains!

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
90. I can't remember exactly, but it was at least April
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jul 2014

And I can remember having a blizzard here in May...

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
31. Its a closed prison with no inmates....effective today no CO's too.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:08 PM
Jul 2014

since the inmates aren't there any more 3 months ahead of schedule the photographic restriction is off. The place is closed effective today.

http://www.saratogian.com/general-news/20140422/last-of-mcgregors-inmates-now-gone

Someone should have called Albany - NYS Historic Preservation.

http://poststar.com/news/local/prison-officers-detain-reporters-working-on-grant-cottage-story/article_01347390-143b-11e4-99fd-001a4bcf887a.html



ABCin2014

(74 posts)
47. That's what this is all about.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jul 2014

The closure of Mt. McGregor (and other prisons) has been a big issue for the corrections officers union and locals, as corrections is a big employer in the north country. I have to question if the reporters were actually there to do a story on the Grant Cottage, if they were, they probably would have called the Dept of Corrections or the Dept of Parks first to make arrangements.

If they were doing a story on the prison closure, they wouldn't call because the current administration would never let them near the place. Cuomo is not well-regarded in the North Country, and is not above bullying to control the media and message.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
48. Its a public historic site....
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jul 2014

in the end the media won the Lt. was over excercising authority he didn't have.

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