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Sometimes environmental advocates are represented by their opponents as compulsively opposing progress. Loaded questions are asked whether any product, no matter how many jobs it created, could withstand environmentalists criticism if it were likely that it would cause any environmental damage at all.
Besides absolutism, there are also questions about means versus ends. Is it possible, for example, to accept suboptimal manufacturing practices to create environmentally benign products such as a company that emitted excessive levels of air toxins while manufacturing bicycles or plastic recycling bins?
Or is the opposite possible? Could environmentalists support a fossil fuel project that invested heavily in environmental protection by a company with a superior environmental performance if the project contributed to the planets climate change? Suppose the company had no oil spills or pipeline breaks, that water quality was not compromised, workers were safe, and communities were improved by the presence of that companys mines, pumping stations and pipelines? Could we separate the environmental impact of a product from the process of manufacturing and delivering it?
Oil pipelines are an important case in point. With increasing resistance to the Keystone XL pipeline and other new pipelines to carry Canadian tar sands crude oil to coastal processing facilities, the industrys new strategy appears to be expanding capacity of existing infrastructure.
Just such an expansion project is proposed by Enbridge for a pipeline that goes from Superior on a southeasterly path right through Wisconsin and south. The proposal for this Enbridge Line 61 has escaped notice until recently. With nine new pumping stations and new storage facilities, it would increase capacity from 400,000 to 560,000 barrels per day in 2014 and 1.2 million barrels in 2015 significantly more than the 830,000 barrels per day proposed for the Keystone XL pipeline.
Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/column/margaret_krome/margaret-krome-pipeline-bigger-than-keystone-pushed-for-wisconsin/article_78905070-65a8-5500-8a61-528f54a1eb61.html
just wow
edit: doesn't the tar sand oils need to be heated and moved in special pipes? guess this is some different type oil, sorry
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)They are going to ruin the upper Midwest with all the oil spills, pipes, smells. Are the Kochs connected to this one, as well?
This has got to stop. I wouldn't put it past either group/company to contaminate our ground/water and not say a word.
This makes me sick.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Enbridge Energies Line 61, which runs through Wisconsin from Superior to northern Illinois, currently carries approximately 400,000 barrels of Canadian tar sands oil per day. The pipeline crosses into Jefferson County near Waterloo and runs through the southwestern corner of the county, crossing beneath the Rock River south of Fort Atkinson just north of Lake Koshkonong.
http://www.dailyunion.com/news/article_09c0df40-dc45-11e3-9916-0017a43b2370.html
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Thanks for the additional information.
Here is more:
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20120510/koch-industries-brothers-tar-sands-bitumen-heavy-oil-flint-pipelines-refinery-alberta-canada
and...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/20/the-biggest-land-owner-in-canadas-oil-sands-isnt-exxon-mobil-or-conoco-phillips-its-the-koch-brothers/
"But the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers said that Koch no longer has a pipeline leaving Canada; instead Koch takes oil sands crude off the Enbridge pipeline system in the United States and carries it through their own Minnesota Pipeline to the Flint Hills refinery, CAPP said..."
There are many articles that pop up with Koch and Enbridge connections.
If it stinks, it has a Koch connection.
CatholicEdHead
(9,740 posts)That one goes over the Ogala Aquifer in NE which no other pipeline does. While spills can happen they will effect much smaller areas. Right now there are train cars moving on both sides of the Mississippi River from Minneapolis to LaCrosse and farther south. This pipeline will be safer than the rails. Over the winter there was already leakage from a oil car along the tracks on the Minnesota side.