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LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
1. The meaning is basically 'extremely stupid bastard'
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:37 AM
Jan 2017

Less clear where it comes from. It's said to have been first used in early 21st century online sports forums, so not something that goes back to the beginning of time.

'Cock' means 'prick' and a 'cock-up' means serious idiotic mistake or messing things up completely (Brexit would be a good example of a cock-up)! But in the past, 'cock' was also sometimes used to mean 'champion' - like a strutting rooster, I suppose. The boy who could beat everyone else in the school - at sports, or just by beating them up in fights! - was sometimes called 'cock of the school'; and people who thought too much of themselves were often described as 'cocky'. Less used nowadays in that way.

So I think 'cock' in 'cockwomble' combines both meanings as in 'champion prick'!

The womble part? That's more puzzling. The Wombles were imaginary furry creatures who lived on Wimbledon Common in a set of children's books and then a TV series in the 1970s. But, as a Wimbledon child of the 1970s myself, I would like to confirm that the Wombles were very lovable characters, and indeed early heroes of recycling: they would pick up litter and recycle it for good purposes in their underground homes. The theme song of the TV programme, which became a popular hit song in its own right, began:

'Underground, overground, wombling free,
The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we,
Making good use of the things that we find,
Things that the everyday folks leave behind!

So I don't see why Wombles would have a bad connotation; but maybe there is some other derivation.

Anyway it's a satisfying insult. Became better known and better used after the Scots used it to describe The Unspeakable, after he visited Scotland and congratulated them on Brexit (which Scotland had voted overwhelmingly against, so it's basically the equivalent of going to California and congratulating the locals on the election of The Unspeakable).

Matilda

(6,384 posts)
7. We still us the expression "cocky" in Australia
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:18 PM
Jan 2017

to describe someone who's rather over-confident. it's often teamed with "bastard", so "cocky bastard", but it can be used in a rather admiring way.

And in my youth, it was quite common for men to address each other as "old cock", said in a friendly way. It's not so common these days, but I don't doubt that we got it from our English forebears.

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
2. A term that's gaining in popularity
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:36 AM
Jan 2017

I first came across it in the "Roger's Profanisaurus" section of Viz. It's become popular online as a milder version of "fucknugget" or "spunktrumpet".

The most currently fashionable insult with people I know is "get in the sea". I remember one Labour MP last year mistaking the term for a death threat when in fact you are more likely to be told to get in the sea for ordering a pint of mild!

potone

(1,701 posts)
5. Now this is even more mystifying than "cockwomble".
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jan 2017

Is the idea behind it "go drown yourself"? If so, that sounds like a command, not an insulting denomination.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
6. "Get in the sea" can be quite confusing.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 08:29 PM
Jan 2017

Opinions vary, but I like the interpretation that it means "Get {back} in the sea" - IOW, persons or activities that are so asinine that it indicates a distinct lack of evolution from our aquatic antecedents.

It's one to use with care: one ultra-sensitive MP, Thangam Debbonaire (who, to be fair, hasn't had her troubles to seek in her personal life in recent years), reported a Twitter user to the police because she apparently interpreted it as a death threat: Student investigated over 'threat to kill' after telling Bristol Labour MP to 'get in the sea'. I'd suspect that she did so maliciously, but Debbonaire has never struck me as bright enough to come up with a scheme like that.

There's a whole Twitter account given over to nominating candidates for getting in the sea: https://twitter.com/getinthesea (NSFW on grounds of extreme sweariness) and a spinoff book which came out early last year: http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2016/03/get-sea-apoplectic-guide-modern-life-man-buns-cat-pubs/

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
8. It's an command that's intended as an insult.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 06:19 AM
Jan 2017

A bit like telling somebody to go boil their head really. I suspect that it works much better in Cleethorpes than Hawaii but there you go. Denzil covered much of it. The twitter account that popularised the term is essentially just swearing in BLOCK CAPITALS at hipsters, Tory MP's and James Corden.

If you want to fruit up your insults a bit more, or maybe just find a new euthemism for bodily functions then "Roger's Profanisaurus" is a good place to start. I myself am a proud owner of the Magna Farta edition. http://viz.co.uk/category/rogers-profanisaurus/page/2/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
3. Just to add to the remarks already made, we can see assonance is popular
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jan 2017

for insults, so having decided on 'cock' as the first part, you want something with a short 'o' for the second. See also "motherfucker" etc.

potone

(1,701 posts)
4. Very informative.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:02 PM
Jan 2017

Thank you all. I'd still like to have a better grasp of how the "cock" fits with the "womble" but some things are beyond rational explanation. At any rate, it has become my favorite insult for politicians, and especially for the soon to be Cockwomble in Chief.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
9. I first heard it in respose to David Cameron's first tweet.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:00 AM
Jan 2017

It doesn't matter whether or not it's logical, all that matters is the sound, and it sounds good.

https://storify.com/nmemagazine/david-cameron-s-first-tweet-a-nation-responds

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