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Fri May 5, 2017, 04:32 AM

May's UK will crash out of EU

With this analysis I concur.

... The first piece of reality to bite was when the President of the European Council Donald Tusk ruled out striking a UK-EU Free Trade Agreement within the two year divorce proceedings. Mr. Tusk, backed up by the European Council, European Commission and all 27 loyal members of the European Union made it quite clear before any talks could even begin on the subject of a future UK-EU Free Trade Agreement the issues of «people, money and Ireland» would have to be sorted out. The divorce bill for Britain to leave the EU and honour it's budgetary and contractual obligations has risen sharply and now Brussels is calculating it could be anywhere between 80-100 billion Euros. I think this will be the sticking point at which no deal is reached given the slippery nature of the British State in honouring its financial commitments...

... Last weekend the 27 EU leaders - Theresa May was not present - approved within a minute or so the guidelines for the EU's negotiation of Brexit first issued on 31 March by President of the European Council Donald Tusk. EU officials said leaders burst into applause as the negotiating stance was waved through. The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, said: «We are ready... we are together». As outgoing French President Francois Hollande said there would inevitably be «a price and a cost for the UK - it's the choice that was made». This is after all, what the British people voted for, so let them have it. I suspect there will be no deal at the end of the two year talks due to my belief that I can not envisage the UK honouring its financial contractual commitments. Thus, the UK will come crashing out without any deal.

If the EU chooses to subject the UK motor industry to tariffs and decides to institute an EU border between Northern and Southern Ireland, there will be nothing the UK can do to stop it. If the EU decides to make life difficult for the millions of British people who holiday on the glorious European continent each year to escape the miserable British weather and sour, passive-aggressive behaviour of their countrymen, there is nothing the UK will be able to do to stop it. There could be huge queues of cars at Dover and a plethora of customs checks. This is why the Leave campaign was such a fantasy, telling people that the UK could vote to leave the EU and still enjoy access to the Single Market.

This was one of the biggest lies told by Leave, just as big as their pledge to spend the extra money saved from EU budget contributions on the NHS. That pledge has quickly evaporated because it was based on lies and I doubt very much once the UK finally exits the EU in 2019 there will be any new money available to spend on the NHS. Indeed, it will be interesting to see what happens to the NHS which is staffed heavily with EU nationals and internationals because of the UK’s inability to train and retain home grown talent...


Interesting website btw.

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Vinnie From Indy May 2017 #1
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Vinnie From Indy May 2017 #3
Denzil_DC May 2017 #4
muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #5
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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri May 5, 2017, 08:13 AM

1. The article is riddled with basic grammar mistakes.

The author allegedly has two degrees from Cambridge.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #1)

Fri May 5, 2017, 08:21 AM

2. I copy-edit books for a living.

Many are academic, and written by doctors and professors etc. They generally know their stuff within their fields exceedingly well, but some of the howlers in terms of spellings and grammar mistakes I have to correct are mindbending.

Not to say this piece wouldn't have benefited from a proofread which would have improved first impressions, of course, but you can't judge a piece of work or the competence of an author in a certain field solely on those terms.

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Response to Denzil_DC (Reply #2)

Fri May 5, 2017, 08:28 AM

3. Agreed.

The author's commentary appeared well informed and logical.


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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #3)

Fri May 5, 2017, 08:52 AM

4. Cheers back!

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri May 5, 2017, 02:50 PM

5. Very pro-Russian website - I'd assume run by the Russian government

Matthew Jamison seems to have been a founder of the Henry Jackson Society - a bunch of British students and academics who toadied up to American neo-conservatives to form a think tank.

It seems a bizarre combination.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #5)

Fri May 5, 2017, 04:05 PM

6. Interesting.

Media Bias Factcheck has this entry for the website:


These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation.

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: According to their website the Strategic Culture Foundation provides a platform for exclusive analysis, research and policy comment on Eurasian and global affairs. This source has a very strong pro-Russian bias, however they do source their information well.


Conventional wisdom would be that a pro-Russia outlet would be pro-Brexit. Henry Jackson Society or no, Jamison doesn't seem to be on board with that. Here's some of another article of his:

The Real Reasons for the UK General Election

On Tuesday, April 18th the British Prime Minister, Mrs. Theresa May, sprang a surprise on an unsuspecting and election weary British public. Despite repeatedly saying after becoming UK Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party that there would be no snap election, Mrs. May did another massive U-turn and said she had changed her mind. Unlike Mrs. Thatcher, this Lady is for Turning. Mrs. May is making a habit of this. During the EU Referendum campaign last year she was for the UK remaining in the EU though she had no courage of her convictions, went to ground like the coward she is and was no where to be seen. As soon as the result came in with the slimmest of majorities she did an about face and easily embraced the near split decision with her vacuous slogan in the Library of the Royal United Services Institute "Brexit means Brexit" even though the British people really did not have a clue what they were voting for given the horrendous lies and propaganda that the sordid Leave campaign told during the Referendum.

Remember the big, fat lie that the Leave campaign told the British public regarding the nonsense that the UK taxpayer sends the EU 350 million pounds a week? Absolute rubbish. Or the fact that it is non-EU immigration which accounts for over 50% of immigration into the UK which can already be controlled at the national level and has nothing to do with Brussels? Or the absurd notion that somehow the UK could vote to Leave the European Union and still retain Single Market membership without accepting the four fundamental principles of the Single Market: Free Movement of People, Services, Goods and Capital?

Mrs. May was nowhere to be found on the Remain battle field and did little to counter these lies due to her own personal political calculation that if David Cameron lost he would be gone within seconds and she would be best placed to take over. Now, Mrs. May is once again showing that she simply cannot be trusted by once again going back on her word and positions regarding the need for a General Election. As I wrote last year, it was bad enough with all the massive national and international challenges that the UK was facing to plunge it into the most insular, naval gazing and time wasting exercise with a dangerous and unnecessary Referendum on its vital membership of the European Union. Now, for purely selfish political power purposes, Mrs. May has decided to plunge the UK into another divisive, time consuming General Election when one was not legally scheduled until 2020.

Mrs. May was a pathetic Home Secretary. Under her leadership and that of her ridiculous lightweight aides Nick Timothy and the former football journalist Fiona Hill, the Home Office, which is one of the most rotten, incompetent and corrupt of UK Government Departments pumped out on a daily basis the most disgusting xenophobic, quasi racist rhetoric on immigrants whipping up a national frenzy which helped fuel the Brexit result. Mrs. May failed during her five years as Home Secretary to meet the Conservative Party's 2010 manifesto pledge to lower immigration, even though all the relevant national policy instruments were at her disposal to get this done. As I wrote above, over half of immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, thus this can be dealt with without recourse to leaving the EU. However, this simple fact proved to complex for Mrs. May, Mr. Timothy and Ms. Hill to grasp. As Home Secretary, Mrs. May also abused her powers by using the Security Services to spy on political opponents of the Conservative Party who were not threats to national security but rather digging up dirt on the Conservative Party and its cosy relationship with certain dubious foreign benefactors.


Sidelight: Founding signatories of the Henry Jackson Society's principles included Michael Gove and Gisela Stuart. Its membership has included a number of high-profile Labour Party members along with some notable US neocons.

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