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sheshe2

(83,986 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:09 PM Jun 2013

President Obama responds to the "Bush light" crowd

SNIP:

What he's doing here is offering the very same outstretched hand to his critics on the left that they have so vilified him for offering to the right. The question is whether or not they are any more prepared to take it. Is their aim simply to find the proof that he is a liar? Or do they want to have a discussion about these issues? If its the latter, President Obama is saying he welcomes that conversation.

He can do that because he is not being driven by his ego or his own personal agenda - he's not an ideologue. He is a pragmatist looking for solutions. In addition, he knows that when it comes to bad actors in a discussion like this, conciliatory rhetoric can be a ruthless strategy.

One way to deal with that kind of bad-faith opposition is to draw the person in, treat them as if they were operating in good faith, and draw them into a conversation about how they actually would solve the problem. If they have nothing, it shows.
And that's not a tactic of bipartisan Washington idealists -- it's a hard-nosed tactic of community organizers, who are acutely aware of power and conflict.

Its fascinating to watch him take this approach - not just with the right - but now with his critics on the left. It makes one wonder whether or not the latter will respond with any more maturity than the former.


This is the end of the article~ The beginning is at the link below~

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/06/president-obama-responds-to-bush-light.html

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President Obama responds to the "Bush light" crowd (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP
DU rec. ucrdem Jun 2013 #1
Well Yea~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #15
sheshe you found my all time favorite pic!! ucrdem Jun 2013 #17
I have the pic saved for you ucrdem~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #19
Sittin' on top of the world, yeah! ucrdem Jun 2013 #20
I need to take a quick dive ucrdem Jun 2013 #21
Rahm already threw the left under the bus. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #2
Speaking of buses ucrdem Jun 2013 #3
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #5
ucr is right.. this is your stop and you can take your Cha Jun 2013 #8
Thank you jurors! And alerter!! And hosts!!! ucrdem Jun 2013 #18
You were warned in the OP that this is the Barack Obama Group.. Cha Jun 2013 #6
I think she safely exited. ucrdem Jun 2013 #7
Brilliant from smartypants, she.. Cha Jun 2013 #4
thanks for watching over things~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10
Here's the full transcript, she! Mahalo for Cha Jun 2013 #11
Why you sweet thing! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #12
Next week! Cha Jun 2013 #13
Excellent analysis. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #9
That's why people can't figure him out and fear him Whisp Jun 2013 #14
Whisp! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #16
This would've gotten more attention in GD. Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #22

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. sheshe you found my all time favorite pic!!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:02 AM
Jun 2013

seems like yesterday . . . and now it's summer yay!!!!!!



I'll bet PBO can't wait to go back and boy has earned a vacation !!!

sheshe2

(83,986 posts)
19. I have the pic saved for you ucrdem~
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jun 2013

Soooooooooo~

Tune in a little Beach Boys~ Let's catch a wave!

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Here's to Vacation!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. Rahm already threw the left under the bus.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:38 PM
Jun 2013

And now Obama wants our support? Tell him to abandon domestic spying and his embrace of corporatism first...and we'll consider it.

Response to ucrdem (Reply #3)

Cha

(297,886 posts)
6. You were warned in the OP that this is the Barack Obama Group..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jun 2013

time for you to say good bye, BOG.

Bye.. this is a Reality Based Group.

Cha

(297,886 posts)
4. Brilliant from smartypants, she..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jun 2013

She's had a lot of experience in gaging how PBO "approaches" his job. I think her summation of those calling him "bush lite" is spot on when she suggests they "simply project on to him their own expectations of politicians".

And, indeed they might have missed this from the Charlie Rose show( no doubt!)..

...On the other hand, what I also believe is its useful to have a bunch of critics out there who are checking government power and who are making sure we are doing things right so that if we've triple-checked how we're operating any one of these programs, lets go quadruple-check it. I'm comfortable with that and I'm glad to see that we are starting to do that.

So, listen up Snowden, Ron Paul supporter.. your plan to bring down PBO isn't working so well.

Mahalo for this excellent piece, she!



sheshe2

(83,986 posts)
10. thanks for watching over things~
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jun 2013

I was trying to make that other project of mine work...it's not.

But I have all next week to see it through!

Smartypants and I have hooked up again! She states it soooo well, Cha!

Have you found a link to the full text yet to the Rose interview? I have not!

Thanks again~

BOG

Cha

(297,886 posts)
11. Here's the full transcript, she! Mahalo for
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

asking for it..

http://www.charlierose.com/download/transcript/12981

Glad you have more time to get your project done, she.. I'm still working on my pre-project stuff.

sheshe2

(83,986 posts)
12. Why you sweet thing!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jun 2013

I've been looking ALL over for that transcript~



It will be two for the price of one Cha! Here's to next week!


Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
9. Excellent analysis.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jun 2013

I think she is right about it being a hard-nosed tactic used for many decades by community organizers.
President Obama always seems to get them cornered in to one corner of the box before he asks them, "okay, what would you do?" and that's when they start stuttering.


 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
14. That's why people can't figure him out and fear him
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jun 2013

Because he's not operating like a politician, but like someone trying to get things for the good of all instead of jamming cash in his jeans.

President Obama is a good man, never thought I'd see someone like him as Pres, ever.

That's why I'm an Obamabot and proud of it.

And Fuck Ron Paulites.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
22. This would've gotten more attention in GD.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jun 2013

But yeah, I always hate when supposed-progressives try to paint him as a Republican in sheep's clothing or someone who is further to the Right than he actually is. They probably aren't aware of this, but they're basically dismissing and minimizing the impact of all of his accomplishments. Obama's "progressive" critics never seem to have much to say about things such as health care reform, or the Fair Pay Act, or the auto bailout, or him being the 1st sitting president to endorse gay rights. Do they honestly think that the typical Republican would support these policies? They've even voted 37 times for a full or partial repeal of Obamacare! It's because of Republicans that we still cannot achieve single-payer, when so many other countries have it and are doing fine with it.

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