I'd like to get a response to a nagging question...

[stufl]

Republicans charge Obama with policy failures. He did not create an economy with 5% unemployment so his policies have failed.

BUT, and everyone knows this, the only policy he was allowed to put in place was the initial stimulus which all economists (those not politically motivated) agree was too small. And much of it went to states to pay for teachers, police and firemen.

Since then, the Republicans have blocked everything, yes, everything. They have filibustered or threatened to filibuster all legislation in the Senate aimed at assisting working people. And, since 2010, have voted unanimously to block all legislation in the House.

Why do the Dems say nothing about this? Why do they sit back and permit Romney to claim that Obama's policies were failures when, in fact, the failure was part of the Republican strategy?

Why are the Dems silent on this issue?

[elleng]

1. Don't like to point fingers?

Not sure; definitely problem with their offense.
HOPE POTUS changes his approach, as time goes on.
Welcome.

[MrSlayer]

2. Complicity.

Very many of them are just as bought out as the Republicans. Ugly truth.

[uppityperson]

3. What "Dems" are you talking about that are silent, that "sit back and permit Romney to...etc"?

[freshwest]

6. +1

[stufl]

8. I don't follow the campaign 24 hours a day, but...

I have not heard one Dem mention McConnell's pledge to achieve "priority one." Nor have I heard anyone, Obama included, mention anything about Republicans blocking ALL legislation eminating from the Dems.

I gotta' believe that this behavior is is a campaign strategy. I just don't understand it.

[uppityperson]

13. You have not heard any Dem, or Obama, say anything about Repubs blocking everything? Huh

I have. Loads of times. Dems and Obama. I guess we must listen to and read different media, hear different state of the union and other speeches.

[stufl]

15. Really!

So you say it's a major campaign strategy. Sorry, maybe Rachel mentions it but rarely does it come up elsewhere. Others here tend to agree.

I believe it is a campaign strategy...to what end?

[uppityperson]

17. Do not try to put words in my mouth. It won't work. I'd suggest you read these posts that agree w/me

and have a different perspective than you and your "major campaign strategy" words you are wrongly accusing me of saying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11025186#post12
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11025186#post16

[stufl]

18. It appears that you like to win.

I wanted in formation. if I wanted contention there are lots of places to go.

Sadly, you did not enlighten.

[uppityperson]

21. You appear to not like being challenged.

It also appears you did not read the SOP for this group.
Statement of Purpose

A safe haven for members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies.



Furthermore:
The mission of the Barack Obama Group is to discuss information and news about the life, career, accomplishments, and presidency of Barack Obama; to provide a haven for those members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies; to discuss President Obama's policy positions, speeches, interviews, and other public appearances; to discuss President Obama's political campaigns; and to discuss the causes which President Obama has championed, including health care reform and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Those who have a generally negative view of President Obama and his administration, support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election), or who are generally supportive of those who do, are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group.

[stufl]

22. And that's what you take away from my statements.n Wow!

May I recommend the Political Discussion Group on Amazon.com. You would enjoy yourself.

I support Obama. A Romney election would be a tragedy for this country. I just wish I knew why the Obama group has decided to allow the Republicans to control the agenda. I still do not know.

[uppityperson]

23. "So you say it's a major campaign strategy." "It appears that you like to win." That's what you take

away from my statements? Wow!

Let me try again.

You say "I just wish I knew why the Obama group has decided to allow the Republicans to control the agenda. I still do not know." You also say "Nor have I heard anyone, Obama included, mention anything about Republicans blocking ALL legislation eminating from the Dems. I gotta' believe that this behavior is is a campaign strategy."

I disagree with those premises. As do others here. Try here...http://www.democraticunderground.com/11025186#post16


SOP says "A safe haven for members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies. " Further addition of "to provide a haven for those members of Democratic Underground who support the president and his policies". Why pick this forum, with this SOP, to post negatively like this? Why not pick GD instead, or Politics?

Since you say this is a presidential policy, are you supporting it? Or is it now a presidential policy? Or is your assumption wrong?

[stufl]

25. OK, you win. Feel better now?

[uppityperson]

26. What do I win? How did your road rage case end up? Did you win? Why the talk of winning? Why not

talk of discussing? Why not answer the questions and have a discussion? I guess you must not want to have a discussion about this topic you asked about. Which seems odd to me.

[stufl]

27. Simple. You enjoy confrontation.

I sought help and you were looking for an argument. I haven't the foggiest idea what your issues might be. I also do not know what you are talking about. Others here try to help. You want an argument.

This is simply not worth the effort. Do not reply further. If I wanted a confrontation, I'd talk to a Republican.

[uppityperson]

28. I simply disagree with you and wanted to discuss this. You simply call me names.

And now tell me to not reply to you. Tah

[Ikonoklast]

32. Familiar tactic from the Right.

The poster you replied to does not want a discussion.

[stufl]

33. Thanks nt

[DevonRex]

31. Then you haven't been listening.

They have mentioned it. Just this morning Andrea Mitchell cut off the president's speech just as he began to talk about republican obstructionism. So you're completely wrong.

[MADem]

30. Yeah, what you said! nt

[Blue Meany]

4. Perhaps they think this would make the Republican

extortion more effective. Voters may think that if they don't vote for a Repuublicans govt. will be in total gridlock.

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Insipid insecurity ,stemming from the fear of intelligent Followers

US ,unlike republicans we can't simply Cheer lead to feel cohesive ,the thing that makes Dem's great also makes us weak ,different views that have to be accepted ,harder to franchise and conglomerate at election time with mindless memes for single celled amoeba conviction ,without having a clue for what.What I'm trying to say Dem's should be proud because http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/09/03_hard.html

[customerserviceguy]

7. There was one other policy he put into effect

And that was the ACA. Now that the SCOTUS has approved it, it's up to him to defend it. It's going to take more than just supporting the fact that seriously ill people can get and retain health insurance, and that layabout children up to 26 years old can get their skydiving fractures fixed under their parents' policies to make it resonate with the American public.

Also, I expect that the health insurance vultures are going to raise their premiums dramatically in October (for the next year) and they're going to blame the provisions of the ACA for that. The President faces an uphill climb, but I think he can do it if he sets his mind and his talents to it.

[stufl]

9. OK...defend the ACA...but how about mentioning that Americans currently

pay twice that of any other country and get inferior results. The ACA is at best a mediocre compromise, but it sure is better thatn our current system.

I don't hear that either.

Frankly, until I do hear some major truths from the Dems, my support will continue to be passive.

[Prophet 451]

11. The ACA is one (small) step in the right direction.

And the US pays at least double. For the combination of Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance, the American public spends around $2.3 trillion and that was with 30-45 million uninsured. The NHS budget, applied to the American numbers, would be around $600 billion to cover every single citizen (and that's with only a 6.8% overhead for staffing). Even if you took the best health system in the world (the French system) and applied it to the US numbers, it still only comes to between $900 billion and a trillion. Obviously, I'm discounting start-up costs in both cases.

[Prophet 451]

10. Several reasons

Some are silent because they are complicit. Others are silent because they don't want to validate Republican obstructionism by calling attention to it. And I think that Democratic politicians are as prone as the rest of us to accepting Republican framing of issues.

[orpupilofnature57]

14. Letting a Republican characterize

is like Wall st policing themselves.

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. and another reason - MSM doesn't cover it when they do mention it (you know the Sunday talk show

data for Dem vs Rep - so tilted).

But mainly I think it is because Dems have a hard time being aggressively on simple messages - and let's face it - we are far less authoritarian/lock step in messaging. The big tent works against us quite often.

[mopinko]

16. i think they do, it just isn't reported.

but maybe that is a slanted view from here in illinois, in jan schakowsky's district where the truth is told all the time.

but look at the backlash they got for pointing out that he was left with a mess. it quickly became- oh, he had full control for 2 years (a lie, really) and he is still blaming things on bush.
the answer is- the thugs own the media. we can talk till we are blue in the face, and no one will know.

[JNelson6563]

24. In my corner of the world Dems are kicking ass!

Battleground out there baby! We are going at it and winning! We're going to flip one of the largest Congressional districts in the country. Both my Dem Senators are coming to my little city on Saturday and let me tell you we will pack 'em in.

Ever hear Senator Levin when he's on fire? No, I wager not, judging by your warbly chin & hand wringing. Don't cry, get busy! A shame you won't be here to hear Levin and Stabenow take it to these bastards. That would motivate you and remove the damn blinders. Though they won't be screaming and turning red like Rethug talking heads...

Oh, lastly, do remember, Obama's not a neanderthal. He's one smart mother-fucker. Did you happen to catch last year's Press Corps dinner? If so you witnessed one of the more masterful, not to mention absolutely complete political take-downs of all time...the political death of Donald Trump. Look up "eviscerate" cause that's what Obama did to Trump that night. All while being cool as a cucumber, smiling, laughing.

If you want neanderthal politicians you are with the wrong party. There's plenty take-it-to-'em going on if you step out of the bubble you apparently live in.

Julie

[Kath1]

29. Right on, Julie!

"In my corner of the world Dems are kicking ass!" - Same here (Maryland). Although this is a very blue state, we are not complacent. Many, many volunteers and grass-roots efforts to make this an Obama landslide. We're loving, laughing, working hard and doing all we can here. Just because we are not screaming in rage doesn't mean we're not serious. We take the example of the President and do it with cool and good humor. We are dead serious about ending the GOP war on women for good and making "change we can believe in" a reality.