Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumWhy only single out blacks when women, Hispanics and other groups ALSO support HRC?
Why?
Because it's easier and more acceptable to shit on black folk and blame us for everything. Everyone just accepts it, shrugs, and moves on.
The opposite is true, and has been true for a very long time...
The Pragmatic Tradition of African American Voters:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/pragmatic-tradition-of-black-voters.html
Stop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/opinion/campaign-stops/stop-bernie-splaining-to-black-voters.html?_r=0
Why Blacks Vote for Pragmatism:
http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article4455
African-Americans' Pragmatic Tendencies Carrying Over Into Voting Preferences:
http://naturallymoi.com/2016/04/african-americans-pragmatic-tendencies-carrying-over-into-voting-preferences/
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We are neither dumb, suffer from "Stockholm Syndrome," nor uninformed. We are strategic and pragmatic voters...and get this...WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN!!!!
To my alerter: I AM NOT ACCUSING **ANYONE** AT DU OF BEING A RACIST. I am simply trying to prove a point about the traditional voting behavior and patterns of black Americans.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Great post; thank you!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Very rude election this year!
brer cat
(24,562 posts)voters and they have excellent bs detectors. As long as blacks have been lied to, given broken promises, and taken for granted they are not casual or uninformed voters...they can't afford to be. Politicians ignore or enrage them at their peril.
But you are certainly correct that they make handy scapegoats when the blame is being handed out.
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)I agree many times.
And that was bad alert.
savalez
(3,517 posts)While high-profile Republicans step forward to denounce one of their own and to argue that minorities should be treated with courtesy and respect, plenty of white progressives seem intent on putting us in our place, so to speak, and keeping us there. Though much of the media coverage of so-called Bernie Bros overzealous, predominantly white, young and male Sanders supportershas focused on their treatment of female journalists online, their lack of respect for racial and ethnic minorities who deign to challenge Sanders has been perhaps more chilling.
The Washington Post noted that at one point #MississippiBerning became a hashtag used by Sanders supporters on social mediaa witty and clever turn of phrase unless of course you are a black American who hears the words Mississippi burning and immediately thinks of church bombings and lynchings.
Black writers and activists who have had the temerity to challenge Sanderss record have been targeted by his supporters in ways that go against not just civility but even decency. I should know. Im one of them. For having the gall to share my perspective, buoyed by polling data, that self-described socialists are pretty much unelectable to the American presidency, his supporters attempted to harass me offline. (Emphasis on attempted.)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters.html
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)The person who started that hash tag might be missing a sensitivity chip.
savalez
(3,517 posts)Idiots.
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)From it:
Consider that statement for a moment.
When we retaliate - they call us angry.
When we succeed - they call us selfish.
We have to save ourselves, and going forward maybe the best way to do that is to diversify more of our political power among the decent people in American politicsregardless of their party label.
They did this to themselves.
Do I think black women such as myself will stay the liberal course? Yes.
Do I side eye people now? Yes.
Did this election force me into identity politics? Yes.
I've remained a Democratic Party member against my own financial interests because I believe that with a hand up - people can overcome America.
I will remain one because I will not rub shoulders with people who support Trump and I will be tolerant of those who want me to sit down, shut up, and do as I'm told because I now know their influence and votes are weak . . . And they will turn on me if they don't get their way. Frenemies you know?
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)savalez
(3,517 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)savalez
(3,517 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)It's our country and our Planet.. it's Magnificent! LS~
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)"Hillary won the confederacy" is basically intended to mean "only black people vote for her". It's dog-whistle politics on the left, and it displays a fundamental misunderstanding of who Democrats (and people, in general) are and how widely they vary.
Sanders takes a one-size-fits-all approach and expects it to apply to everyone. Doesn't work, yet some of his surrogates dismiss anyone who doesn't "get" this as just too dumb to understand what's best for them.
Hillary, on the other hand, understands that variability and appeals to the widest spectrum of voters. She wants to represent all Democrats (and people, for that matter) and acts accordingly.
I find it a little ironic that Sanders supporters are continually accusing Hillary of elitism, while they defend (or just ignore) the clear signs of it in their own candidate. "It's just the south; it shouldn't count" couldn't be much more elitist.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)You will never convince them otherwise.
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)Or not understanding how they have benefited from it - and their anger at a rapidly changing playing field?
nini
(16,672 posts)They would never treat another horribly to their face but the things you mention do affect their views. I think that's the most frustrating aspect of racism when people don't even realize their assumptions of how a Black person should act or feel is condescending at a minimum.
The quickly evolving playing field is bringing out the worst in many.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)It's more of a "White Man's Burden" thing; and it comes out in the comments were it slips and they say "if not for benevolent white people you people would still be in chains".
They feel that their progressive views make them morally superior, and it feeds into the idea that their support for black people is a generosity or a, ahem, privilege, as opposed to something that we're entitled to as human beings.
nini
(16,672 posts)Yep.. exactly
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)The first paragraph of your first link tells me this is going to be a series of good reads. I've always valued pragmatism and strategy over ideology and tactics. The former two win the wars. Thanks LS. I have some reading to do...
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)But isn't winning important in order to get your ideological vision passed? And winning requires pragmatism and strategy.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)the long run. For 40-50 years, they've been building a hegemony through the American South and Midwest. And they've taken over most of the governorships, state legislatures, school boards, judgeships, etc. They never give up. Their ideological zealotry has taken the conservatives over the top and now they have the Congress.
They never give up like we liberals, do. They never take their toys and go home when they don't get their way RIGHT AWAY! They're in it for the long haul.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)That is EXACTLY what I want leftists to do. This is exactly what leftists NEED to do. Hell I'm honestly considering running for office or trying to get people organized so someone else can do it (though my work schedule is killing me)
THAT is how you turn ideological radicalism into real political power. Sick and twisted as it is, they're damn good at what they do.
Now granted, they've had a lot more money poured into it than we could probably get, but keep in mind, one of the good things about the Sanders campaign is that it showed you could raise a lot of money from working people. If Sanders wasn't such a damn phony (or if my brain had transmogrified into his body) he would have drew down the campaign after 3-15 and started building that organization. I wonder if we could fund a think tank or two on 27 dollar donations? Or maybe find a few dozen people in each state, fund them and start the process of seeding politicians at every level?