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Cha

(298,567 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:12 PM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton won the debate (and six other takeaways from Las Vegas)



Hillary Rodham Clinton was the only candidate on stage last night who looked like a plausible president. She had gravitas and filled the stage, while her four rivals came across as unelectable, unserious or both. In short, she solidified her status as the Democratic front-runner. Clinton’s strong performance will, at least temporarily, quiet doubts among party elites and make it less likely that Joe Biden enters the race.

Other important takeaways from the evening–


1. Hillary’s tight hug of Obama means there is less room for Biden. Mindful of a possible bid by the vice president, Clinton clearly wanted to send a message that she will aggressively compete for the Obama coalition and continue to grab for the president’s mantle. “I would have to think this would give him some pause,” longtime Obama strategist David Axelrod said of Biden after the debate.

After publicly breaking with him recently on issues like immigration, the Keystone XL Pipeline and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the most striking storyline of the night was how closely Clinton tied herself to Obama. The full embrace of her ex-rival is also a testament to the president’s enduring popularity among Democratic primary voters

Hillary name-dropped Obama more than anyone else, by far. Responding to questions about her early support for the Iraq war, she noted that Obama opposed it but still chose her for secretary of state. Clinton used the word “we” repeatedly to describe various actions overseas, including a dramatic retelling of herself and Obama chasing after the Chinese to try getting a climate change deal. Asked how she’d differ from Obama in the White House, Hillary dodged by noting that she’d be the first female president.

Much MOre~ Not very flattering to Bernie Sanders .. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/14/the-daily-202-hillary-clinton-won-the-debate-and-six-other-takeaways-from-las-vegas/

This makes me happy.. I like to see our Dems supporting each other.. Hillary and President Obama have both worked so hard and accomplished so much.. but, of course, there's so much more work to be done.

The last 7 years need to be built on.. not torn apart and plundered.
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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. Winning the Senate and the House...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:41 PM
Oct 2015

is something Team Obama/Biden should be working on right now!

No 2-term Democratic administration since FDR (4 terms in a row!) has been followed by another Democrat.

No one can sit this out and bide their time above the fray!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
6. I loved the debate! If it weren't for Bernie's annoying and non-stop yelling....
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

I would be for a debate every week!

Hillary was great but I honestly believe she was holding back a little. I think she is going to really begin to show her star quality in the 3rd or 4th debate.

But someone in the Bernie camp should get him to stop shouting! Only his true believers could possibly stand another night of that high volume haranguing! He scared my dogs!

Cha

(298,567 posts)
14. Yes, Hillary's debut debate was great.. she Won! And, she will only get better..
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:07 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sure she learned a lot from last night about those running against her.

November 14th is the next one .. in Des Moines, Iowa~

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/

Tarheel_Dem

(31,270 posts)
7. "The last 7 years need to be built on.. not torn apart and plundered."
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

Obviously, actual "Democrats" agree with your assessment. There's only one person on that stage who can keep the Obama coalition intact. It must come as a surprise to the folks who have been dissing the president for the past 7 years that real "Democrats" actually like our POTUS, and want the next "Democratic" POTUS to offer policies in the same vein, and compromise with Republicans.





My CFO, who was a BS leaner, told me today that he, his partner & his partner's brother (strong Obama supporters) are now firmly in the Hillary Camp. The consensus was that "she came off more presidential than anyone on the stage". They pay as much attention to politics as I do, but they had no idea who Lincoln Chafee & Jim Webb were. I haven't had a chance to speak with my other fellow Dems yet. The funny thing is that his brother-in-law, who lives in MD, can't stand O'Malley. Go figure.

Cha

(298,567 posts)
8. That's great, Tarheel!... that others are seeing it too. Hillary was so brilliant at her first
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

debate and so glad she's talking positively about President Obama. So sick of Bernie dissing him disingenuously.

Yes, we've spent a lot of time trying to tell them that Obama is popular with the majority of Dems.. thank Goodness the Country isn't DU.

trueblue2007

(17,270 posts)
10. maddow says she was great
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:29 PM
Oct 2015

As for the bigger picture, Republicans must have been discouraged by Clinton's strong showing, but I hope they also noticed how much better last night's debate was than anything the GOP candidates have shown in their events. On every front, the exchanges in Las Vegas showed Democratic candidates better prepared, more substantive, and more knowledgeable than their far-right counterparts.

During the debate, Politico's Glenn Thrush noted on Twitter, “The level of discourse - nuance of discussion – compared to the GOP debates? Not even close.” The Washington Post's Dave Weigel added soon after, “[W]atching this debate after slogging through all the Trump debates is like moving from kindergarten into grad school.” http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-clintons-debate-dominance-may-change-the-2016-race?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Cha

(298,567 posts)
11. "Catching this debate after slogging through all the Trump debates is like moving from
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:33 PM
Oct 2015
kindergarten into grad school.”

Really! Glad they're noticing, eh, trueblue?

Good to hear about what Rachel said.. mahalo.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Ouch.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:17 PM
Oct 2015
Sanders grew irritated when pressed over various apostasies. He offered revisionist histories of congressional debates over both gun control and immigration reform, for which he will certainly take heat from fact checkers.

On foreign policy, Sanders was out of his depth and looked uncomfortable talking about why he dodged the Vietnam War draft.

“Overall, Sanders’s performance was uneven,” The Post’s Philip Rucker and John Wagner write on the Bernie dynamic. “At the start, he seemed easily bothered. At times on the defensive, Sanders seemed agitated, shouting his positions as if he were rallying thousands of supporters in a sports arena instead of conversing with four opponents on a debate stage. But he appeared to become more relaxed on stage and to relish his place as the outsider on the left.”[/div

He will correct his errors on the next go-round, I am sure. He'll probably be challenged on his "revisionist histories" too.

Cha

(298,567 posts)
13. Thank you for bringing that from the article.. I've seen that more than once about sanders
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:30 PM
Oct 2015

doing "revisionist history".

Maybe he should have preparec better.

Hillary was prepared and she went to the Labor protest with the Culinary workers in front of trump's International hotel yesterday.

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