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Cha

(297,206 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:39 AM Jan 2016

Both Sanders and Clinton produced terrific ads, but only one of them makes me feel included.

Jonathan Capehart
✔ ?@CapehartJ
Both Sanders and Clinton produced terrific ads, but only one of them makes me feel included. http://wapo.st/1OLFWbw
9:16 AM - 22 Jan 2016
Washington Post
‘They’ve all come to look for America.’ They just have to watch Clinton’s ad to find it.
By Jonathan Capehart @CapehartJ
Both candidates' ads successfully tug at the heart. But Clinton got it right.
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By Jonathan Capehart January 22 

In two separate ads released within days of each other, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton have now presented their visions of America. But only one makes me feel included.

Being a man of a certain age, I love Simon and Garfunkel’s “America.” Those voices and those lyrics take me back to a simpler time. When my only care was where my next toy would come from. Yet those warm, childhood feelings gave way to grown-up political observation.

Sanders is running a revolutionary, future-oriented campaign fueled in large part by the enthusiasm of young people. People who are more globally aware than any American generation in history. Yet, his beautifully crafted ad features a song by a duo who provided part of the soundtrack for the political and social tumult of the 1960s and 1970s. Perhaps that minute-in-retro will resonate with folks who have yet to #feelthebern. But for an ad that beckons us to “look for America,” the pictures accompanying the lyrics looked nothing like the America or the Democratic Party of today or the future.

Sure, all the hay bales, farm animals and white people are visual cues to the good folks of Iowa (Feb. 1) and New Hampshire (Feb. 9), who will finally make their voices heard in the caucuses and primary next month. But what of the black and brown people of Nevada (Feb. 20), South Carolina (Feb. 27) and the Super Tuesday states (March 1)? They are a part of this America we’re looking for, no? The Sanders ad clashes with the revolutionary, all-inclusive aura the senator has cultivated.

Clinton’s ad is the exact opposite of the Sanders offering. His ad is almost as white as the Oscars. Her commercial could be described as “a gorgeous mosaic,” as former New York mayor David Dinkins liked to call the Big Apple. Not only is it chock full of people of color, the ad has all kinds of people. A same-sex male couple kisses. A disabled woman wheels up to the camera. A Muslim woman in a hijab. Sanders says nothing. Clinton makes her case for being president.



The other vid and More @ https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/22/theyve-all-come-to-look-for-america-they-just-have-to-watch-clintons-ad-to-find-it/

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/01/25/140-characters-of-food-for-thought/

[font color=blue]Mahalo~Hillary's Group~[/font]
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Both Sanders and Clinton produced terrific ads, but only one of them makes me feel included. (Original Post) Cha Jan 2016 OP
Thank you, Jonathan Capehart! Cha Jan 2016 #1
I also love that ad Gothmog Jan 2016 #2
It's the Real America! Cha Jan 2016 #3
K&R! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #4
Mahalo Justin~ #I'mwithHer! Cha Jan 2016 #6
The Sanders ad is nostalgia okasha Jan 2016 #5
Exactly, okasha it never was.. not for all of America. Cha Jan 2016 #7
Hillary's supporters, like Obama supporters, look like America. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #8
Why yes they do, SunSeeker~ Cha Jan 2016 #10
Yes, they do! It's a shame not more around here see that. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #12
That is a great ad. mahina Jan 2016 #9
Mahalo mahina! Cha Jan 2016 #13
Aloha no Cha! mahina Jan 2016 #19
I agree with Jonathan. Hillary's ad makes me feel included in her vision for America, too. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #11
I can imageine, BlueCaliDem! Cha Jan 2016 #16
I love Simon & Garfunkel, from the first time I heard them. But that ad left me oddly cold.... Hekate Jan 2016 #14
Oh wow.. President Obama gave us a message of Hope and Change after 8 Cha Jan 2016 #18
If you read some of the filth being posted about Obama murielm99 Jan 2016 #23
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #33
I understand because I have also Skidmore Jan 2016 #21
That's right and every Baby Boomer I know ( including me) livetohike Jan 2016 #52
It's a great ad that is true to who she is. Firebrand Gary Jan 2016 #15
There's no "If" about it, Firebrand Gary.. that's who she is. Cha Jan 2016 #17
What the HELL is Bernie's message in that ad? jmowreader Jan 2016 #20
Not just a white conservative male, but likely one Skidmore Jan 2016 #22
Thank you.. 'bout time somebody scruntinized it for what it is.. nothing. Cha Jan 2016 #55
Hillary doesn't mind running a diverse ad in an all white, homogeneous state! Sancho Jan 2016 #24
Good Point, Sancho! Oh that's a brilliant Cha Jan 2016 #25
The Daily Show last night talked about Sanders ad liberal N proud Jan 2016 #26
That so speaks to me Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #27
I'm so glad, Coolest.. it speaks to me, too.. because I want everybody included. Cha Jan 2016 #29
Bernie's ad does not say anything treestar Jan 2016 #28
Weird ad. what were they thinking?! Cha Jan 2016 #31
Right? Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #34
Yes, but only for the guys. DURHAM D Jan 2016 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #42
OMG Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #50
Makes me think I'm in an elevator or dentist's office. FSogol Jan 2016 #43
Cool. yardwork Jan 2016 #30
Mahalo, yardwork~ Cha Jan 2016 #35
Mahalo, Cha! yardwork Jan 2016 #47
Thanks, Cha! BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #32
Mahalo BlueMTex! Cha Jan 2016 #37
Capehart is buried in the mess MSNBC has become. yallerdawg Jan 2016 #36
Hillary promotes warmhearted look, still the same old same old Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #38
#I'mWithHer, Thinkingabout! Cha Jan 2016 #54
YES YES YES!!!! Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #40
K&R. Thank you Cha for this great post! lunamagica Jan 2016 #41
Gracias to you, lunamagica! Cha Jan 2016 #57
Clinton "makes her case for being President" pandr32 Jan 2016 #44
Most definitely! Mahalo pandr! Cha Jan 2016 #59
K&R NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #45
Thank you so much, NRr! Mind blowing how clueless Cha Jan 2016 #66
loved her ad! Ana Hauhet Jan 2016 #46
Thanks Cha still_one Jan 2016 #48
Speaking of ads, a GOP SUPER-PAC just made a Pro-Sanders ad Molusko Jan 2016 #49
K & R Iliyah Jan 2016 #51
Mahalo, Iliyah~ Cha Jan 2016 #77
I got chills mcar Jan 2016 #53
I know what you mean, mcar~ Cha Jan 2016 #58
I love it! I absolutely love it. sheshe2 Jan 2016 #60
Hey Aloha, she! Cha Jan 2016 #61
Love that pic too. sheshe2 Jan 2016 #62
You're Welcome, she~ Hillary is so Cool and simutaneously FIRED UP and Ready to GO! Cha Jan 2016 #63
Excellent! Kath1 Jan 2016 #64
Hillary's Vid for Iowa says everything about our Country.. Cha Jan 2016 #65
K&R... BooScout Jan 2016 #67
Good Morning, Boo and Thank you! Cha Jan 2016 #68
Did you see the Daily Show's bit on it? Rose Siding Jan 2016 #69
OMgs! Someone said there was satire playing AA music to sanders ad.. it was the Daily Show! Cha Jan 2016 #71
K&R Cary Jan 2016 #70
Excellent observations by Jonathan Capehart! Spazito Jan 2016 #72
Mahalo Spazito~ It's so glaringly obvious.. Have you seen this from the Daily Show? RoseSiding Cha Jan 2016 #73
I love Trevor Noah and he nails it re the ad... Spazito Jan 2016 #74
Really sad that they continue to be Cha Jan 2016 #75
I agree, as Trevor Noah noted... Spazito Jan 2016 #76

okasha

(11,573 posts)
5. The Sanders ad is nostalgia
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jan 2016

for a 1950's that never was.

It's oddly retrospective. Bernie seems stuck somewhere between
his self identification as a radical "who marched with MLK" and a future that doesn't get beyond being acclaimed as a hero by all who "come to look for America."

Got news for you Bernie. Some of us had found Turtle Island 12,000 years before the folks in that ad came looking for it. Some of us came packed into slave ships and were emphatically not looking for America. Some of us were annexed involuntarily when white and English-speaking America came looking for us.

Jayzus, Bernie. "Morning in America," you and Reagan.. You sold out the Revolution decades ago.

And you don't even know it.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
11. I agree with Jonathan. Hillary's ad makes me feel included in her vision for America, too.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:26 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie's? Not so much.

and rec'd, Cha!

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
14. I love Simon & Garfunkel, from the first time I heard them. But that ad left me oddly cold....
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:06 AM
Jan 2016

The next verse is:

Kathy I'm lost I said though I knew she was sleeping
I'm empty and aching and I don't know why....

That just doesn't say Hope and Change to me. It's sad and yearning and a little bit hopeless. And I never envisioned it with tow-headed tots and baby lambs and hay bales.

Cha

(297,206 posts)
18. Oh wow.. President Obama gave us a message of Hope and Change after 8
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:55 AM
Jan 2016

years of bush.. and he delivered.

Hillary's message is one of Positive building on all those accomplishments and that includes Fighting for all of America~No matter who you love!

And, Girls can grow up knowing they can be President of the United States of America!

Mahalo, Hecate~

murielm99

(30,739 posts)
23. If you read some of the filth being posted about Obama
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jan 2016

by the Sanders supporters on this site, you would think they are referring to Dubya. I am fairly sick of it.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
21. I understand because I have also
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jan 2016

felt that a portion of Sanders campaign has been less about looking to the future but trying to recreate a past that never was. Soft focus lenses pointed backward in time, water color representations of a society that worked for some. The era of FDR and Kennedy were times fraught with great strife of al sorts, and rife with inequality. There is so much more to injustice in society than economic issues. I do not want to return to the mindset that only paints in pastels. All of our people deserve a richer pallette to choose from.

livetohike

(22,142 posts)
52. That's right and every Baby Boomer I know ( including me)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

tends to complete the song, whether in advertisements or this. We can't help it 😊. So since we know the songs, we're left to wondering what the thought was behind using it in this manner.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
20. What the HELL is Bernie's message in that ad?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:40 AM
Jan 2016

I guess we're supposed to get the idea that Bernie is going to return us to the America of our youthful dreams. Problem is, that America never actually existed...especially if you weren't a white conservative male.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
22. Not just a white conservative male, but likely one
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jan 2016

who never actually lived during those years and would be able to receive the check that recollections of those who have would provide. Memories become distorted over time and the retelling of history does too. We owe it to our children and young children to provide honest recounting of the world of our youth.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
24. Hillary doesn't mind running a diverse ad in an all white, homogeneous state!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jan 2016

Just like some recent satire where they play Bernie's commercial with different AA music, etc., it show that it's pandering to play an all white commercial in Iowa.

Hillary is for everyone - always has been!

Cha

(297,206 posts)
25. Good Point, Sancho! Oh that's a brilliant
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jan 2016

satire.. playing his commercial with AA music.. how can they be so tone deaf.

It's comes natural for Hillary to include everyone in her ad for Iowa.



BooScout~

Mahalo!

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
26. The Daily Show last night talked about Sanders ad
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jan 2016

It played followed by the I approve this message. Only problem, there was no message, only video and music.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
39. Yes, but only for the guys.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jan 2016

Things the female white boomer remembers:

* on a first date we would be told that sleeping with him is good for our health plus we are responsible for birth control because condoms diminish his manhood

* on a second date he brings his laundry with him and tells us how he likes his shirts ironed

* on a third date he expects us to cook dinner

* on the fourth date ... well its not a date because we need to take a vacuum cleaner to his apartment and clean while he plays slow-pitch softball followed by a night out with the guys

* on the fifth date we need to get married because he needs a deferment quickly followed by children because he needs more deferments.

After we divorce he does not pay child support because the courts can't make him and he doesn't see any reason to spend time with the children and they belong to me anyway.





Response to DURHAM D (Reply #39)

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
50. OMG
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

I would have been up for murder 1.

Honestly, I've thought Paul Simon was a dick for years, and liked him even less when I heard how awful he was to Carrie Fisher.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
36. Capehart is buried in the mess MSNBC has become.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jan 2016

The "Trump Network" also promotes Sanders at every opportunity. Maybe the National Broadcasting "Company" (Corporation) likes a beatable Democrat?

MSNBC became unwatchable months ago. The blatant bias is now at Fox News level.

CNN and PBS seem to be retaining a level of journalistic neutrality (which annoys the shit out of Sanders supporters).

Many MSNBC pundits like Capehart go off-network to express their real opinions, and have to dance around the MSNBC 'show hosts' who have lost their integrity for a regular paycheck.

Response to Cha (Original post)

pandr32

(11,582 posts)
44. Clinton "makes her case for being President"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016

...and she's got it. We all need to stand up for her.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
45. K&R
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie's ad panders to white, rural Iowans. Hillary's ad shows her at her best, including everyone. I love seeing her with children; you can clearly see she cares deeply about them.

Cha

(297,206 posts)
66. Thank you so much, NRr! Mind blowing how clueless
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jan 2016

they are.. Hillary blows them out of the water!

Hillary with some more kids..



 

Molusko

(26 posts)
49. Speaking of ads, a GOP SUPER-PAC just made a Pro-Sanders ad
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

A GOP super-PAC made an ad calling Sanders "too liberal" in hopes that this will bolster his chances against Hillary in the Democratic primary. The right wingers want to run against Sanders.

Steve Benin of the Maddow blog says this " is the latest evidence of the GOP trying to help Sanders, not hurt him." http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/anti-sanders-attack-ad-isnt-quite-what-it-seems-be

Cha

(297,206 posts)
61. Hey Aloha, she!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jan 2016

I was hoping this was you! lol

Hillary speaks for all of America.. that other guy.. who knows what he's doing.



Welcome back to Hill's Group, too!

Cha

(297,206 posts)
63. You're Welcome, she~ Hillary is so Cool and simutaneously FIRED UP and Ready to GO!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

and, that other guy is so desperate.

It'll be great when she's Prez and he has to live with his stupid attacks.



Boo~

Cha

(297,206 posts)
65. Hillary's Vid for Iowa says everything about our Country..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jan 2016

and the other guy's says nothing. Incredible but true.

Thank you so much, Kath!

Cha

(297,206 posts)
68. Good Morning, Boo and Thank you!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jan 2016

#50! I knew somebody would along and make it an even fifty! lol

Cha

(297,206 posts)
71. OMgs! Someone said there was satire playing AA music to sanders ad.. it was the Daily Show!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jan 2016

Thank you for that, Rose.

Roy said.." it was for Iowa.. they do that farm stuff.." Trevor: "But, it says for America!" Oooops, Jonathan Capehart and we weren't the only ones who noticed.

Spazito

(50,333 posts)
72. Excellent observations by Jonathan Capehart!
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jan 2016

Thanks for posting this, it is an excellent comparison and I feel the same way Mr. Capehart does about the ads.

Spazito

(50,333 posts)
74. I love Trevor Noah and he nails it re the ad...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

thanks to Rose for posting it and you for pointing it out to me. The ad certainly lacks any color, it is glaring and, imo, sad.

Cha

(297,206 posts)
75. Really sad that they continue to be
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

so tone deaf.

That's just not America.. now if they had said "Iowa".. they might be on to something.

Spazito

(50,333 posts)
76. I agree, as Trevor Noah noted...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

the ad might resemble Iowa but it sure doesn't resemble the makeup of America at all.

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