HILL GROUP - Sanders says he ran as a Democrat for 'media coverage'

[DemonGoddess]

Bernie Sanders on Monday told NBC’s Chuck Todd that he ran as a Democrat to get more media coverage.
During a town hall-style event in Columbus, Ohio, the independent Vermont senator said, “In terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.” He then took a dig at MNSBC, telling Todd, the network “would not have me on his program” if he ran as an independent.


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[spooky3]

1. I really don't blame him for this.

I can't say he's incorrect.

But now it is up to the voters as to whether they think he is the best Democrat to represent them.

[DemonGoddess]

2. I do blame him

He has no intention of truly being a Democrat, and therefore should not have entered the race under false pretences.

[LeFleur1]

40. Right.

And don't forget the money for campaigning from the Party. Some of it corporate donations. Media coverage might be a reason, although I think a 'Democratic Socialist' who has quite a bit of support would be getting media coverage. Money is right up there. He can take the filtered money and pretend he's pure.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[Cha]

5. he ran as a dem just ran to get "media coverage".. that's it. He's wrong anyway. the damn

media would have him on there to bash Hillary.

lame excuse.

[LisaM]

7. I do blame him. He is dividing the party.

He's divided this forum. He is dividing different generations of progressives by driving a wedge between them. I don't find that to be someone who can both work with our allies and bridge the issue gap with people on the other side....domestic or foreign.

[Cha]

16. Definitely, Lisa!

[Her Sister]

23. with you on this!

this explains all the endorsements and super-delegates! They really know...

[BlueMTexpat]

26. I absolutely agree!

It is very difficult to sell him as any kind of a unifier or coalition builder and that is exactly what is needed today.

Fortunately, from what I personally see and have experienced, the generational "division" is much less marked in real life than it is on-line where the swarms and alert-stalking have gone beyond the pale, IMO.

The cyberbullies may believe that they are "winning" but in fact they are not. Real people seem to have more and better sense, whichever Dem candidate they vote for in the primaries.

[otohara]

46. He's Damaging Our Party

a large portion of Millennials hate the Dem party.

[LisaM]

52. Yep - and right in front our our eyes.

It would be lying to say that both parties don't deserve to be improved, reformed, modernized......however you want to frame it. But here is a generation that is in love with the term "disrupt". They don't care if Amazon disrupted the retail model, caused many thousands of small businesses to go under, pays authors lower royalties because the "publishing houses were corrupt!" They don't care if Uber can exploit transportation needs by sending untrained "share economy" drivers out to disrupt the cab industry and any semblance of control communities might have over it. "Taxis are dirty! Cab companies are corrupt!" Who cares if AirBnB is driving up rents and lowering housing inventory? "I want to go to Paris! Why shouldn't someone make money off their extra room?"

It's a very pervasive thing, this disruption model. In fact, it creates the most unfettered free market we've seen in a long time. I try very hard to boycott companies like Amazon, Uber, etc., because I don't believe that they are following the rules, but I fear we have a generation so used to convenience and instant results that they can't appreciate any good in the old models.

Don't get me started on tech buses!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. ^^^ THIS TOO ^^^

[Lucinda]

3. Yeah...most of us knew it...interesting to see it confirmed.

Thankie!

[Thinkingabout]

4. Agreed.

[BlueCaliDem]

15. Confirmed, straight from the horse's mouth, in a manner of speaking.

But I knew this from the get-go.

[kjones]

6. "Duh!" said everyone whose eyes weren't glazed over. nt

[Her Sister]

24. lol!!

OMG! exactly!

[question everything]

8. And this is why his hope - that many superdelegate will switch

is a wishful thinking.

The superdelegates are elected Democratic office holders and I don't think they look kindly at him.

[cosmicone]

9. Sanders has always been a fraud

Fraudulent party designation
Fraudulent promises that he knows he can't deliver
Fraudulent calls for a revolution when it cannot happen
Fraudulent smears and innuendos against Hillary after saying he won't run a negative campaign
Fraudulent stealing of data from Clinton campaign
Fraudulent positions against wall street when his own wife go a golden parachute following an attempted misrepresentation on a bank loan application
Fraudulent holier than thou presentation when he is spearheading all sorts of racist and sexist attacks
Fraudulent swarming on honorable people's facebook pages and twitter feeds

Sanders has never once called off his supporters -- NOT ONCE because he is enjoying their donations and attacks on his enemies to stroke his ego.

Sanders has no chance in hell to be elected but he won't drop out.

[spyker29]

42. FYI

On Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sanders has always been a fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=73014

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive, inapproproate, over-the-top. Saying that Sanders himself is "spearheading all sorts of racist and sexist attacks" and "swarming on honorable people's Facebook pages and Twitter feeds" and that he is enjoying his supporters' "attacks on his enemies to support his ego" is over-the-top and untrue. (And note that these points CAN'T be discussed or refuted here because so many are blocked from this group)


You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 15,
On Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sanders has always been a fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=73014

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive, inapproproate, over-the-top. Saying that Sanders himself is "spearheading all sorts of racist and sexist attacks" and "swarming on honorable people's Facebook pages and Twitter feeds" and that he is enjoying his supporters' "attacks on his enemies to support his ego" is over-the-top and untrue. (And note that these points CAN'T be discussed or refuted here because so many are blocked from this group)


You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:08 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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[MADem]

48. It's becoming obvious that someone is stalking the HRC group.

Would one of the jurors please alert on the results and ask the admins to have a look at the alerter, to determine if there's an abuse of the jury system going on?

Running around clicking on threads that the alerter disagrees with--for purely POLITICAL reasons--is the definition of "disruptive" and it should be grounds for admin review.

[DemonGoddess]

57. Juror#3

Supposition? This came straight from the horse's mouth. So definitely not supposition.

[otohara]

47. Well Stated

He's a fraud plain and simple.

[SunSeeker]

10. And on TOP of that, he BASHES the Democratic Party.

[BlueCaliDem]

17. Well, on top of that, he's staying true to form.

And anyone who says that he's a real Democrat and we should accept him as such, now have egg on their faces. Naturally, they'll spin and twist in every which way to not have to take that egg in the face, but anyone with more than half a working brain knows Bernie is a faux-Democrat, that he hates the Democratic Party for not rolling out the red carpet for him back in 1990 or so, and won't welcome him with open arms as he marches to the beat of his own drum - although he's the only who hears those drumbeats.

As a staunch Democrat, I'm happy I only briefly considered him as a viable Democratic candidate, and that I wised up quick.

[SunSeeker]

34. If he was a real Dem, he wouldn't be running for reelection to the Senate as an Independent.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. Exactly! Why this has escaped his Democratic supporters is beyond me.

But then again, the majority voting for him are not Democrats and if they were Democrats once-upon-a-time, they've turned their backs on Party long ago.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. As if anyone ever had any doubt ...

he does what is convenient for him.

It's easy to be an "independent" and be seen as a person of "principle" when nearly everyone around you or with whom you have ever associated is (apart from Inhofe apparently, LOL) and when you are from a state that sees independence as an asset. It's much more difficult to get along with ALL kinds of people from around the country and the globe and to make the compromises necessary actually to accomplish something.

Even though I have always been a Hillary supporter in 2016, I have gone from being impressed by Bernie to being very disappointed in him for his tacit endorsement of the cyberbullies his campaign has attracted. I am extremely disappointed by his attacks against Democrats generally and specifically unimpressed by his not assisting with fundraising for down-ticket Dems. That last says it all for me.

[SunSeeker]

32. Yes, and he broke his promise to not do negative campaigning.

He is not renouncing the Koch ads that have been helping him. He has been bashing Hillary with slimy innuendo instead of sticking to the issues.

[UtahLib]

11. Well he sure fooled us, NOT

[Haveadream]

12. The irony!

After this accusation being lodged at HRC by his supporters so many times, it turns out that Bernie finally admits he is actually the only D-I-N-O in the room.

Talk about being the ultimate opportunist. And they wonder why some people aren't feeling the Bern?

[pandr32]

18. Right on!

He is a D-I-N-O! Hillary Clinton is the one who has been consistent and trustworthy.

[anotherproletariat]

13. Which is exactly why he won't get the Super delegates...even though his supporters thing that

the Super delegates will magically change sides if Bernie starts to surge. Not going to happen. They know that he is not a loyal Democrat who will carry forth the mantle of the party.

[Hekate]

14. No surprise there. He needs our infrastructure and name recognition. Now if only he'd act...

....like a gracious guest and stop bashing us.

[BlueMTexpat]

30. LOL, please don't hold

your breath! We need you here!

[riversedge]

33. Yes, I have said--and others have---that Sanders uses the Dems as a doormat

to further HIS causes. He is on an ego trip last few months.

[Cha]

19. What does that make him?

[BlueCaliDem]

39. D-I-N-O.

Aloha, Cha! Seen very little of you these days, but it's always nice to see you.

[Cha]

61. Great to see you, too, BlueCali!

[72DejaVu]

20. Every time I hear someone talk about his "integrity"

I throw up a little in my mouth.

Integrity?

Joining a party you have disparaged for decades in order to get elected? Demanding that party change it's rules for your benefit? Getting caught cheating and then filing a suit against the party when it tries to shut your cheating down? Faking endorsements? Using every opportunity to impugn the system, so as to delegitimize your rival's victories?

He has no integrity. His supporters point to the fact that he has not changed his mind on a serious issue in 40 years, as if that were a positive factor. It is not. It's an indication of a personality so absorbed in it's own sense of self righteousness that it can't accept reality.

[Pika78]

21. Reminds me of that famous R.W. Emerson quote...

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by LITTLE STATESMEN and philosophers and divines."

Not changing one's mind in four decades is no legitimate cause for pride.

[SharonClark]

22. Uses the Democratic Party

and brings his supporters into the party to trash it. It is similar to what the SWP (Socialists Workers Party) tried to do to progressive groups in the late 60's.

[Her Sister]

25. Reactions

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-ran-as-democrat-for-media-coverage-and-money/

[Setsuna1972]

27. He should have been more honest from the get go

If he wants to be a socialist independent, he shouldn't be pretending to be a Democrat ! That 13 trillion dollar tax reform of his wouldn't fly anyway !

[peggysue2]

28. Mr. Integrity

So, when St Bernard was originally asked the question about his political affiliation earlier and he proclaimed himself a Democrat, he had his fingers and toes crossed.

Hummm. The man of the Truth Quest is caught up in a . . . lie.

Yesterday he said he never promised college for all, after insisting earlier that a college education was a right not a privilege. He also said he would not run a negative campaign but has spent the last month bashing Hillary with right-wing memes. When asked specifics about Cuba and Latin American policy, he said he 'hadn't read enough' on the subject. But claims he's an equal to HRC.

Looks like a trend. And the saints fell from the sky.

[MADem]

45. Points! nt

[riversedge]

31. It just got locked in LBN---

seems too many Sanders folks said it was not LBN!

[Hekate]

35. If it had been posted in GDP it would have flamed to ashes in a NY minute

Ya think?

[riversedge]

36. of course. But it was getting flamed in LBN which is

probably he real reason it got locked. It is news that Bernie admitted on national TV that he joined the Dem Party to get more media attention. Yes it was.

[BlueCaliDem]

41. rivers had posted an OP in GDP - and it was alerted but it survived the alert.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:53 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie Sanders says he ran as Democrat for the media attention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511495234

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The OP has posted this story multiple times already this morning and each time the story has been locked. This seems to me to be an abuse of the jury system.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:57 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If the reason for the alert is accurate, then it should be locked.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting on reality again? Please don't.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No DU rule against this in GDP and I think the alerter is incorrect in any case. Story has been posted but not this story by this poster AFAIK. And even if it were it's purely a CS issue and doesn't bother me personally. And it's an important story. So leave it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't know what this alert is about and I don't care. These bizarre GDP wars make DU suck.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: rinse and repeat becomes spam ... please STOP!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Free speech seems to be an unwanted animal at DU these days - especially anything critical of Bernie Sanders. There is NOTHING in this OP that even suggests a ToS violation, or is anywhere near "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top or inappropriate" - for which this OP was alerted on.Therefore, LEAVE IT ALONE.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was juror #7

[MADem]

43. Unbelievable.

If someone calls another DUer names, I don't care who they support, I don't go for that at all--but this constant beat-down for saying "Your candidate is not my favorite" has really got to stop.

I think it should be grounds for a three day time out, for "bad alerting" or something!!!!


It wouldn't be "an abuse of the jury system" if people didn't alert on what is -- quite clearly -- a news story in the first place!! What's abusive is DUers HIDING a story for purely partisan reasons.



smh!!!

[BlueCaliDem]

49. It just blows my mind, too, MADem. I see nothing in this OP that is alert-worthy

other than partisanship (and yes, since Bernie himself said he's only running under the Democratic Party banner in order to get media attention and raise money, this is truthfully partisan).

This is a NEWS story quoting Sanders himself. The lame excuse to alert is nothing more than to hopefully hide any and all OPs that don't fall in line and shine that halo around his head.

[MADem]

50. The admins need to address this--if they gave time outs for bogus alerts I think this would stop,

QUICK.

Even if it was just a three day vacation, it would send a message to stop alerting on POLITICAL differences.

The idea behind the jury system is to stop us from abusing one another--instead, the system is being used as a tool of abuse, and that is just WRONG.

[riversedge]

54. oh my. I did not know this. I was away for a while.

whow. they alert for something that Sanders himself said. whow. just whow!


I think it was locked in LBN because many were saying it was not LBN and saying he said it before many times. nope!


Thanks for the post.

[BlueCaliDem]

55. You're welcome, rivers. Always happy to keep you in the loop whenever I can.

Clearly this is just a weak attempt to censor any news article that isn't 110% positive of Sanders. It failed this time, which is good for free speech and democracy!

[Loki]

37. BS

needs the Democratic party, the Democratic Party isn't important to him otherwise. Trash us and expect us to follow you? We are not that stupid nor that gullible.

[Gothmog]

44. In effect, Sanders is trying to take over the Democratic party

Sanders is trying to remake the Democratic party in his own image. I do not think that he will succeed

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. Sanders is a DINO?

Color me surprised.

NOT!!!

[fleabiscuit]

53. Bad.

It's a dastardly thing.

[Fla Dem]

56. Look who hasn't endorsed him. Those that knew /know him best,

BS has exactly 2 former US Senator endorsements and 6 current U.S. Representatives and 1 former US Rep endorsements. These are the people he has work with for the 25 years he was in congress and the senate. If anyone knows him, his character and intregrity, what he stands for, his effectiveness in getting things accomplished, it would be this group of people. And yet only 9 of them; present and former endorsed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

And then there is this. Really! The 3 individuals who were Governors of Vermont while BS was representing Vermont in the House and Senate. You would think if they really admired his work they would have no trouble endorsing him. Hmmm.

Why Did Vermont’s Three Democratic Governors Endorse Clinton?
Judy Reardon January 25, 2016 Democratic Primary

The three living Democratic governors of Vermont, Bernie Sanders’ home state, all have endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, as has the senior U.S. Senator from Vermont, Patrick Leahy. Vermont’s lone Congressman, Peter Welch, remains neutral. Let’s zero in on the three governors and what their choices say.

http://www.reardonreports.com/491-2/

On the other hand Hillary Clinton has the endorsement of 40 current senators and 13 former senators, as well as 163 current US Represenatives and 48 former reps and 14 sitting Governors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Of course, the BS supporters will say, "well that's because they are all part of the establishment." Well so was Bernie for 25 years. During which he did little, made no impact on people's lives and evidently didn't impress his fellow congress people with his accomplishments.

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. He & Ted Cruz should probably hang their heads in shame since their co-workers think so little....

of them, but I don't know that either of them is capable of feeling shame. The lack of endorsements speaks volumes for anyone who cares to listen.