Even Bernie Knows He's Losing:Sanders Stumbles Onto Bargaining

[bravenak]

Bernie Sanders has been in denial about his chances since, oh, about South Carolina. He was going to win after South Carolina. Then he was going to win when "southern blacks" stopped dominating the Democratic electorates. Then he was going to win in Nevada. Then Hillary's wins didn't matter because she won the "confederacy" and red states (except the red states he won, which obviously matter). Then he was going to pull ahead on Super Tuesday. Then he was going to pull ahead on Second Super Tuesday (March 15). Then he was going to win Arizona.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/23/even-bernie-knows-hes-losing-sanders-stumbles-onto-bargaining

[sheshe2]

1. Yup!

[bravenak]

2. He is winning most handily

In theory

[BainsBane]

3. He has more leverage if he bargains sooner than later

I think the problem may be his campaign advisers are feeding him a line in order to keep their contracts going. That's just a guess though. Could be down to him entirely.

[bravenak]

4. I think Devine is just running down the clock and enjoying this

His advisors have done him a disservice by not helping him understand the way things work

[BainsBane]

5. It doesn't do him any favors with the party

but then that may not be a concern for Bernie. If he wants any influence in a Clinton administration or any aspect of the party in the future, including committee assignments, he needs to get concerned.

[bravenak]

7. I agree

I always wondered if he expected the establishment to help him bring them down if he won. If people want influence, they have to join and do work.

[DesertFlower]

8. exactly. nt

[NurseJackie]

26. When he returns to the Senate, will his colleagues view him more-favorably or less favorably?

Considering that none of his Senate colleagues have endorsed him, it makes me wonder if "less-favorably" is actually an option for them. (But I suppose it's still possible.)

[bravenak]

50. I think less. Even though it will be a stretch.

[liberal N proud]

28. Disservice to him, his supporters and the party

But I think the party is the last thing BS or his supporters care about.

[bravenak]

37. I agree. It turns people off.

Tired if hearing how horrible democrats are.

[robbedvoter]

40. if you were paid over 800,000 a month, wouldn't you

want this sweet gig to last as long as possible? This is being enabled by R's 🐀🔩. They are the main source of the big money, allowing them to do that. They want to keep this going as much as possible - Reince gloats on Twitter every time BS says he will go on. Long tern goals are not on their radar.

[bravenak]

41. I damn sure would

I like money too.

[LiberalFighter]

60. I'm wondering why he has Tad Devine as an advisor

when every Presidential campaign he has been involved with has lost.

[jsmirman]

6. I mean, that depends

he's not young - on the one hand, go to your grave and you're the one who ended the world because Trump is President, on the other hand - and every politician is an egomaniac - he's probably got a low give a shit number on the "what if there's political retribution for my actions" scale, which is what really hems the egos of politicians in most commonly. I guess he has the example of Ralph Nader to go on - the man is pretty roundly despised, so there's that.

But if he has any thoughts of playing electoral chicken with threats of a third party run (I think he's a decent enough human to never do it, but still), leverage is there. Even if the bargaining chip is "do I give my full throated support or do I stay silent/support you begrudgingly at best" - that is still major leverage. He could do a lot of damage without a third party run. I get what you're saying, but I think it might be overly bold to discount the leverage he will hold all the way to the convention.

[anotherproletariat]

9. They seem to have no problem convincing people to donate, so I'm sure that continued paycheck

is a big incentive to keep going. That and the fact that Bernie isn't a lifelong Democrat, so doesn't have the innate party loyalty which might otherwise have him make the best move for the party.

[Jamaal510]

10. BS is

running out of "thens" quickly.

[bravenak]

11. He sure is

[bravenak]

13. This is a protected group where we discuss articles

Now, signing up just to complain that this is a troll post is not the best way to elevate the conversation. Hypocrisy aside, my main point in posting it was to show how he constantly changes his mind on how he can win. And because I disapprove of how he wrote off the South. I do not watch TYT since this Summer when they were being disrespectful to Black lives matter.

[Cha]

33. Aww.. we had ourselves a name-removed which is a polite way of

saying "troll".

[rbrnmw]

14. Welcome to DU

[Cha]

15. I'm going to take this opportunity to throw your insulting rudeness right back at you..

"The point of my post is that while the OP could just be a hack, a troll"

Sorry, you have no clue what you're talking about.. and this is a reality based group so that means you stumbled in here but now here's the door and you won't be coming back.

[shenmue]

18. Yes, the OP is an Actual Liberal

Buh-bye!

[stonecutter357]

20. you seem concerned.

[72DejaVu]

23. Right.

You created this account just so you could pop in and call braveness a troll.

If anyone believes that they'll believe anything. Hell, they would even believe Bernie Sanders is going to be president.

[Cha]

16. I would hope BS knows he's losing.. he doesn't have an anathema to math, does he?

From your link..

The tweet.."What's the Dem establishment going to do for us?"

Yeah typical, it's all about them.. me me me.. How about what can they do for our country.. instead of spewing anger? How about that?

Bernie began with anger, and an invariably angry version of him shows up at rallies where he enjoys the adulation of the Pitchfork Left who believe nothing other than Wall Street argle bargle really matters.

We'll be fighting off trump and the $Billions of $$$ thrown @ Hillary. Fighting for the soul of country. Wrong question BSbro.. What can are you going to do for America?

Mahalo brave~

[bravenak]

17. Yep

The selfishness shows bright and clear. Nothing matters but what they want.
We gotta move to the General and stop this ridiculous slander campaign. Time to give up with grace and let us take it from here.

[Cha]

19. Wise words.. "Time to give up with grace and let us take it from here."

[brer cat]

27. I am going to park my "amen" right here.

Good OP, bravenak. Thanks for sharing.

[stonecutter357]

21. K&R!

[Thinkingabout]

22. Yes the incline is not dropping, some upcoming states is going to

Put the incline even higher. Hillary made a very informed statement on the latest terrorist attacks, this puts more distance in the ability to handle responsibilities of the presidency, we need more than a one issue president in today's world.

[bravenak]

42. Yep

His focus is too narrow. He cannot take on Putin, lol.

[livetohike]

24. Not sure what B.S. Goal is, but he seems like the vindictive type.

Maybe he is running to destroy the Democratic party because his 25 years in Congress yielded few converts to his ideas of how things should be.

I would not give him any position in the administration. Hillary should not be obligated to do so. I can't think of one cabinet position where he would be effective.

[bravenak]

38. Yes he does seem the type

When thing are not going his way it gets quite nasty.

[Koinos]

25. Going Back to the Senate

He's going to have a hard time working with his "colleagues" after all the criticism he and his supporters have leveled at the Democratic party. He didn't play well with them in the past, and things could get worse for him.

[bravenak]

49. I think that's why he cannot flip a superdelegate to save his life

[Koinos]

52. Sanders' supporters think that pro-Clinton superdelegates are bought.

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In fact, they just don't like Sanders. Hard for them (Sanders supporters) to face that reality, I suppose.

[bravenak]

53. Yep. Hard times ahead too.

[LiberalFighter]

61. Exactly!

Only 6 House Representatives have committed to him and 21 are DNC members. One Party Leader committed to him.

Other than himself, there are no Senators pledged to him. 5 are uncommitted and 39 Senators are pledged to Clinton.

Until 2016 he had never been an automatic delegate to the Democratic Convention. He was not a delegate to the 2008 or 2012 Convention. Angus King is an Independent and he is not a superdelegate to this convention.

[creon]

29. He may not be ready

Unless Sanders has a reversal of fortune, Clinton is on track to get the nomination.

At some point, Sanders should try to do some sort of bargaining. Perhaps he will at the Convention.

[Walk away]

30. Apparently, when Hillary wins the general gainst Donald Trump..

...we will probably be taking the Senate back by possibly as much as ten seats. If that's the case, Bernie's importance will diminish quite a bit. He will need to fall in line.

[Her Sister]

31. man oh man!

From your link:

Update: A berned devotee on our Facebook page asked me to watch the full video for "context" (the relevant portion starts at 16:50 mark). I did. It got worse. Not only is Bernie bargaining, it turns out, he's wrapping his bargaining in the front and back end with "Democrats are oligarchs" (paraphrased) message. This really ought to help him stand out as an unprincipled doorknob who slurped up all that oligarch party had to offer when it came to serving his dream of being President.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/23/even-bernie-knows-hes-losing-sanders-stumbles-onto-bargaining

[bravenak]

39. He loved using our party structures to improve his chances

But we get no respect.

[DemonGoddess]

32. K&R!

Good article brave!

[mcar]

34. K&R

[stopbush]

35. Just a correction: SC came after NV.

[pandr32]

36. Excellent post! Nails it!

[fun n serious]

43. His supporters know it too

hence the BOB crap escalating.

[bravenak]

44. Yep. I expect outrage and tears until June

[riversedge]

45. Bernie just said on The Young Turks that He May Not Back Hillary if He Loses

Bernie's habit of dancing around instead of answering the question will a yes--of course--is pathetic.


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Cenk Uygur over at the Young Turks had the interview of a lifetime. He just interviewed Bernie Sanders, and it was a mind-blower.

Today on The Young Turks Cenk Uygur interviewed Bernie Sanders and asked the question:

“Now, a lot of the people in the movement have decided that you are their leader, partly because you’re running for President, but you look at some recent polls of millennials, they have you by far the most popular politician; but they actually have you as more popular as a person they’d like to meet above Beyonce`, okay that’s a hell of a thing…

But you have convinced them that Hillary Clinton is the establishment candidate. If you were to lose, and the Democratic party comes to you and says take this movement that is full of energy and that is against the establishment, and make sure they vote for the establishment candidate, what do you say?”

Bernie’s answer was gold, and left things up in the air on whether he would back Hillary or go his own way…

Well.. what I say: Number one I’m not that big into being a “leader”… I’d much rather prefer to see a lot of leaders and a lot of grassroots activism.

Number two, what we do is together, as a nation .. as a growing movement is we say: “If we don’t win..” and by the way we are in this thing to win, please understand that. “What has the Democratic establishment gonna do for us?”

From this exchange we can surmise that there’s no guarantee that he will blindly back the Democratic Party’s candidate if we get nothing out of doing so.

Depending on how things look in July, an Independent run could be in the works. He’s said he probably wouldn’t consider it – but that was
months ago.That was before this got messy.

[Treant]

46. I doubt it.

This is just to keep the donations flowing and the campaign alive through New York.

By July, we're past the filing deadlines in most states, and the Sore Loser laws also come into play since he ran as a Democrat and used their machinery for months during the Primaries.

The Dem leaders in the Senate will also be having some words with Sanders ("So, how does no support and no committees sound?&quot Barring plans to retire in 2018, which he doesn't seem to want to do, pressure can be applied.

Plus pulling a sore loser Ind campaign will damage him with voters. I strongly doubt he'll draw in the generals much better than any other Ind candidate.

[riversedge]

47. nobody likes a sore loser--that is for sure.

[bravenak]

48. I am tired of him

[Koinos]

54. Sanders Fatigue

I liked him at first, and then it got old and he evaporated before my eyes.

Down deep, his campaign became very superficial. Positions without ways to get there.

As O'Malley once said, words without action.

In other words, ends without means.

[bravenak]

55. Yep. A Paper Prince.

[peggysue2]

51. Contrast & Compare

Whatta you going to do for me (us) vs Hillary Clinton's loss in 2008, where she campaigned her heart out for the then Barack Obama and then joined his Administration as SOS.

Y-y-yuge difference in attitude and . . . grace.

As HRC has often suggested: It's not who you are when you're knocked down because we're all knocked down. It's who you are when you stand back up.

I rest my case.

[bravenak]

56. You are right

She knows how to lose with dignity and still get up to fight again. He is crashing and Berning bridges.

[Gothmog]

57. Even Sanders knows that he has no chance of being the nominee

[bravenak]

58. It is obvious

[CalvinballPro]

59. My favorite line from the article:

Bernie Sanders is always going to win later. A more classic case of denial has yet to be diagnosed.