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Sanders portrayal of democratic socialism as nothing but the New Deal is a disingenuous sleight of hand that plays on foggy historical memories.2016
Why Democrats Should Beware Sanders Socialism
Hes a socialist, not a liberaland theres a big difference.
By Paul Starr
February 22, 2016
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667
OUTSTANDING READ
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Thanks! Yes it's interesting about the difference between socialism and liberalism. Republicans like to act like it's the same.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)Free stuff is attractive until you learn of the collateral costs.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)but even if he were, he'd have no backing for most of his pie-in-the sky proposals.
RANGERMAN89
(91 posts)I thought we were the party of critical thinking skills and understanding what public spending is.
William769
(55,148 posts)This is what they don't want you to know about Sanders.
For me he can keep his Socialism out of my way of life! We have seen time & time again what his type of Socialism leads to.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Sadly, the vast majority of Democrats are as ignorant of what Socialism is as Republicans.
It is a great read.
Sadly, it will be ignored.
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)Socialism and Sanders have their heart in a different placeeconomic equality before all else. Socialism is still the dream of those who dont worry about concentrating power in the state or about the perverse effects of making goods and services available at a zero price. To bring socialism back from the dead wearing New Deal liberalism as a mask is no service to either. Socialists should know the difference, and liberals should too. After feverish right-wing accusations that every liberal proposal is tantamount to socialism, the last thing liberals need is a Democratic presidential candidate blurring that line.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667#ixzz441sN0UqM
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It really explains Sanders' initial tone deaf response to BLM and why he does not have the support of African Americans.
riversedge
(70,420 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It damn sure is!
State legislatures!
Governors!
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667#ixzz441rguMqu
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yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)would put even Trump in the White House!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)"In 1980, Sanders served as a presidential elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which supported the nationalization of industry and expressed solidarity with revolutionary dictatorships, including Iran (this at the time Iran was holding American hostages)."
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)His campaign from day 1 has been based on running on deception & to fool the uneducated into believing in his socialism .
No thanks, I'll stick with fighting to keep our Democracy. Not replace it.
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)It feels disingenuous like the author says and we should take seriously when BS uses the words Socialism and Revolution. He really means it.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667
HRC GROUP!
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)As the article explains:
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667#ixzz441qDkQy3
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And it also explains why Sanders' "Democratic Socialist" label and claims he just wants what Denmark has is dishonest:
...
The Vermont senator calls for increasing the top marginal tax rate on capital gains to 64.2 percent, which would not only be nearly triple the current rate and a peacetime record in the United States but also far higher than in any of the countries Sanders admires. In contrast, Denmarks tax rate on capital gainsthe highest rate in Europeis 42 percent; Frances, 34.4 percent; Swedens, 30 percent; and Germanys, 25 percent. Under Barack Obama, the U.S. rate has risen from 15 percent to 23.8 percent, a significant increase but well within both recent U.S. experience and current patterns abroad.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-2016-socialism-213667#ixzz441qnYmO0
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RANGERMAN89
(91 posts)You have to admit with this post you went very far off the deep end. Also expressing ones ideas is the very definition of democracy with the pathetic way you are acting it seems way more likely you hate democracy.
Also all this the evil reds are going to destroy our democracy makes you all look like republicans.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Re read the article at the link.
You are missing the reason why people are concerned about Sanders campaign which aims to replace democracy.
This is the Hillary group.
RANGERMAN89
(91 posts)From the 50's worrying if dem dang dirty reds will steal my freedoms and guns. Sorry but the notion that Sanders wants to "destroy" democracy with public spending is just ridiculous. when has he made this promise to destroy democracy? While he was suggesting all citizens be registered to vote or was it when he suggested we allow prisoners to be allowed to vote after the end of their sentence? Or is he advocating for the destruction of democracy by wanting campaign finance reform?
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)If you don't agre with what we post here. Then simply stay out of the Hillary Group.
Thanks
Cha
(297,935 posts)me like you're swallowing the propaganda. How "critical thinking" is that?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)video
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/30/chris_matthews_to_debbie_wasserman_schultz_whats_the_difference_between_a_democrat_and_a_socialist.html
Chris Matthews vs. Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "What's The Difference Between A Democrat And A Socialist?"
Posted on July 30, 2015
"What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist?" Matthews asked, leaving Wasserman Schultz at a loss for words.
"I used to think there is a big difference. What do you think it is?" Matthews tried again. "A Democrat like Hillary and a socialist like Bernie Sanders."
Wasserman Schultz again was unable to answer and instead tried to tell Matthews what the difference between a Democrat and a Republican is.
"The more important question is what is the difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican," she said.
"What's the big difference between a Democrat and a socialist?" Matthews again asked.
"You're chairman of the democratic party. Tell me the difference between you and a socialist," Matthews reminded her.
"The relevant debate that we'll be having this campaign is what's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican," Schultz said.
Schultz, however, was able to tell the difference between a Democrat and a Republican.
"The difference between a Democrat and Republican is that Democrats fight to make sure everybody has an opportunity to succeed and the Republicans are strangled by their right-wing extremists," she said.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)b/c had to be neutral in the subject.
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)Everything she says can and will be used against the DNC by Sanders.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)So she could not describe what the difference was between a Democrat and a Socialist.
SunSeeker
(51,787 posts)If DWS even so much as acknowledges Sanders' socialism, the GOP will hit Hillary over the head with it by pointing out that she belongs to "the party of socialists." Sanders has done damage to our party.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Kudos to the Star Trib & the artist
quickesst
(6,283 posts)... and most of all, not a nasty shot.
Gothmog
(145,805 posts)Response to misterhighwasted (Original post)
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
This article is about the political ideology of democratic socialism. It is not to be confused with the political ideology of social democracy. The two terms are sometimes inaccurately used as synonyms in contemporary political discourse.
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Democratic socialism is distinguished from both the Soviet model of centralized socialism and from social democracy, where "social democracy" refers to support for political democracy, regulation of the capitalist economy, and a welfare state.[2] The distinction with the former is made on the basis of the authoritarian form of government and centralized economic system that emerged in the Soviet Union during the 20th century,[3] while the distinction with the latter is made on the basis that democratic socialism is committed to systemic transformation of the economy while social democracy is not.[4] That is, whereas social democrats only seek to "humanize" capitalism through state intervention, democratic socialists see capitalism as inherently incompatible with the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by superseding private ownership with some form of social ownership. Ultimately democratic socialists believe that reforms aimed at addressing the economic contradictions of capitalism will only cause more problems to emerge elsewhere in the economy, that capitalism can never be sufficiently "humanized", and that it must therefore ultimately be replaced with socialism.[5][6]
Democratic socialism is not specifically revolutionary or reformist, as many types of democratic socialism can fall into either category, with some forms overlapping with social democracy, supporting reforms within capitalism as a prelude to the establishment of socialism.[7] Some forms of democratic socialism accept social democratic reformism to gradually convert the capitalist economy to a socialist one using pre-existing democratic institutions, while other forms are revolutionary in their political orientation and advocate for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the transformation of the capitalist economy to a socialist economy.[8]
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)True blue!!
WITH HRC!
TRUST HRC!
otohara
(24,135 posts)Thanks for repost!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)take a massive role in ownership of the markets.
ladym55
(2,577 posts)All show up in this article. Bernie has tapped into the discontent on the left because Obama so often was stopped in his tracks by obstruction. However, many of Bernie's supporters live in some sort of bubble, and they think that the socialism thing isn't going to be rammed down every voter's throat from the convention to election day if by some miracle Bernie pulls it off.
A local progressive I really respect who is a Hillary supporter said that he is with Hillary because Bernie has a very weak legislative record. He makes great speeches, but accomplishes very little.