Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumTechnically, Bernie Sanders isn't running for President
Not at this stage at least. Right now Sanders is running to be elected the de facto leader of the Democratic Party. That's traditionally what each party calls their ultimate nominee. After securing the nomination, then you're running for President.
The candidates' main objective at this stage is to speak to democrats. To convince democrats. To win over democrats. To be elected head of the Democratic Party. That's the race we're in now.
You don't endear yourself to democrats by belittling the pro choice conversation. It's a key point of our platform.
You don't gain influence among our party's leaders by harassing our super delegates to instead support the candidate with fewer popular votes, fewer pledged delegates, fewer endorsements, fewer states won, and less cash on hand (who also happens to be behind in the national polls.)
You don't convince democrats to vote for you if you have little to no concern about down ticket candidates. Democrats know it takes a village to run a country.
Hillary gets this. Hillary is a Democrat in name and deeds. Sanders? Not so much.
But I am a big "D" Democrat. And if Sanders were to be elected leader of my party I would vote for him. Not because I agree with his methods and plans but because of that whole "village" thing. We need as many elected dems as we can get to make gains in this country.
(Although, four years of having to see that foamy spittle coagulate on his lower lip whenever he rages will be a tough four years, still I would support him. I'd close my eyes and pull the lever for Sanders. Well, no I'd open my eyes first to make sure I'm pulling the right lever...but you know where I'm going with this.)
The back-to-back interviews of Sanders and Clinton last night with Rachel on MSNBC made it clear yet again. She's the Democrat best suited to be the next leader of our party.
Hillary 2016: Great Form, No Foam <----------- ( think it will catch on as a campaign slogan?)
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)...a candidate, and not a cleaning product.
(Unless in the context of cleaning the filth of Donald Trump out of our politics, then I could throw my support behind it!)
"No Foam" might be too abstract for most people to rally behind. Just saying.
Otherwise, I agree with everything you said. #FeelTheMATH
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)DUzy-worthy, IMO.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I mean, parse...parse words, a simple, thanks!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,443 posts)I agree with most of what Bernie believes in but I don't think that he's being realistic about his chances of getting much of it passed into law. His rabid supporters have really turned me off to him too with their awful attacks on Hillary. Plus, him not being an actual member of the Democratic Party (outside of his candidacy) has always sort of bothered me as well. I also was torn about who to support in 2008 (I ultimately backed Obama) but it was a very tight race and I always felt that Hillary deserved her turn up at bat if she ever chose to run again in 2016.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)BYEBYEBERNIE
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,443 posts)The pro-Sanders gloating on this site and crowing like every one of his wins is a sudden and unexpected "game-changer" is getting really annoying though. I'll just be glad when the primary is over and we can all focus on attacking Trump or Cruz or whatever "crazy" the Republicans get stuck with.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)- you know, that list you yell back at the TV whenever some talking head disparages her? When I make my list of why Hillary Clinton should get the nomination, I don't think of it in terms of it's her turn. In fact, if we were to get down to the brass tacks of party traditions, it's really Joe Biden's turn. He is the sitting Vice President. Party tradition would give the nod to him. So I don't ever process my support for her in those terms.
The way that she has evolved through this primary while the other candidates -both sides - seem to devolve and look tired, tells me she's the one who's ready, day one.
Her message is becoming more fine tuned. The other guys? More anger....
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)I would just add: most superdelegates ARE downticket candidates/ elected officials. I'd be really pissed if the party's standard bearer had such little regard for everyone who works so hard to maintain a united front against republicans.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)We're going to have as the head of our party the guy for whom supporting democrats doesn't come naturally? I don't think so....
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)He'll be the kiss of death when he returns to the senate. Here's hoping the party will give him a dose of his own medicine and primary his ass in '18.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I expect him to retire from the Senate and take up residence on the highly paid speakers circuit. At heart, I'd bet he's a good ol' capitalist. We shall see...
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Nah. It would be rude of him not to honor all of his donors. It's best that he keep it.
</sarcasm>
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Man that one got me laughing LOUDLY.
Seriously though, you don't gain support by trying to destroy the party you want to lead.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... grate my nerves.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)....but I honestly can't watch him speak for any length of time. I can't take my eyes off of his crusty lips and I get the dry heaves.
I know - not exactly in-depth political discourse but I call 'em like I see 'em...