5 Colombians murdered in Venezuela

[Bacchus4.0]

http://colombiareports.co/5-colombians-murdered-venezuela/

Mar 10, 2014 posted by Luke Horswell
(Photo: Area Cucuta)

As Colombia took to the polls for its congressional elections Sunday, the remains of five murdered Colombian citizens were being discovered across the Venezuelan border. The men, whose remains were found outside the town of Ureña, near the eastern Colombian state of Norte de Santender, appeared to have been gunned down and had been missing since Friday, according to the El Tiempo newspaper.

Colombian Defense Minister Juan Carlos Pinzon condemned the attack and criticized local authorities for failing to help the families find the men, even after they had been reported missing.

“The relatives of these persons asked for help from the Venezuelan authorities to find the five disappeared individuals. They did not receive support and it fell to them to find the bodies. They found them, and subsequently brought them to Colombia,” said the minister, according to El Tiempo.

A survivor of the attack was said to have claimed the men were shot at while bathing in the Tachira River, which marks the border between Norte de Santander and the Venezuelan state of Tachira.

[rdharma]

1. Were they smuglling drugs or attempting to join the riots? nt

[Bacchus4.0]

2. they were beauty queens so that means target practice in Venezuela n/t

[rdharma]

3. Male beauty queens?

Did you read the article you posted? If so, did you understand it?

[Bacchus4.0]

4. did you?, it said they were bathing in a river n/t

[rdharma]

5. So that makes them "beauty queens"?

Man, that is the most bizarre response I've ever seen on DU!

[Bacchus4.0]

8. does it make them drug dealers? n/t

[rdharma]

9. What were they doing swimming over the border? nt

[Bacchus4.0]

11. the boarder? I didn't see anywhere that they had a boarder with them

You don't make any sense. You should read the story.

[rdharma]

14. Border.... la frontera, my spelling-nazi friend.

Guess you didn't notice that.

[MADem]

6. They were, apparently, blue collar workers...

2 Bricklayers, a carpenter, a cook and a construction worker, per this cite:

Los hombres masacrados, y cuyas identidades oscilan entre 21 y 31 años, fueron identificados como: Fabián Nieto Corredor y Héctor Julio Gomez Leal (albañiles), Luis Angel Flórez Rincón (carpintero), Mario Enrique Santamaría Galvis (cocinero) y Rubén Hernández Jaime (trabajaba en construcción).

[COLGATE4]

7. Probably both. We all know that all Colombians who

are living in Venezuela are either drug smugglers or anti-Chavez fighters. Except those who are CIA plants, of course.

[rdharma]

10. They weren't living in Venezuela. They were crossing the border illegally.......

... for some odd reason.

Maybe just sight seeing and didn't want to get a passport, eh?

[Bacchus4.0]

12. You keep saying boarder. they crossed the boarder so that is why their boarder shot them?

They didn't give the boarder the 3 meals he was promised. Its not in the OP. Please go on with these fascinating details about the revenge of the boarder.

[rdharma]

13. "after they were being discovered across the Venezuelan border."

"La frontera" my spelling-Nazi friend.

[Bacchus4.0]

16. thats not what the OP says

As Colombia took to the polls for its congressional elections Sunday, the remains of five murdered Colombian citizens were being discovered across the Venezuelan border. The men, whose remains were found outside the town of Ureña, near the eastern Colombian state of Norte de Santender, appeared to have been gunned down and had been missing since Friday, according to the El Tiempo newspaper.


It says their remains were discovered across the border. I think it would have been hard to cross the border if they were dead.

Venezuela may want to reconsider its treatment of visitors. I bet more people would visit the country if it weren't for the violence and tourists getting shot.

[rdharma]

19. That's what the article you cited says..... nt

[Bacchus4.0]

20. no, you changed the passage in the article but still put quotes around it

here it is again. You are having a bad English day it would seem.


As Colombia took to the polls for its congressional elections Sunday, the remains of five murdered Colombian citizens were being discovered across the Venezuelan border. The men, whose remains were found outside the town of Ureña, near the eastern Colombian state of Norte de Santender, appeared to have been gunned down and had been missing since Friday, according to the El Tiempo newspaper.

[rdharma]

22. "discovered across the Venezuelan border."

That means they were found in Venezuela "en ingles".

[Bacchus4.0]

24. ah, so you changed it again. Yep, the dead bodies were found in Venezuela

We agree on that.

[rdharma]

26. I changed nothing. But YOU did!

[COLGATE4]

15. Or for a thousand other reasons - to visit relatives

in Venezuela, to buy stuff (gasoline, for ex) that is cheaper in Venezuela, etc. Colombians and Venezuelans cross the border daily, almost without exception without any border formalities (i.e., as you put it, "illegally".

[Bacchus4.0]

17. correct, as it is in many countries. n/t

[rdharma]

18. Gee! Then I wonder who they pissed off?

Not likely that it was government security folks.

[COLGATE4]

21. Given the huge upsurge in violent crime

in Venezuela, they may have pissed off Venezuelan criminals.

[rdharma]

23. Like drug dealers? nt

[Bacchus4.0]

25. he said criminals, so I assume he means Ven government officials n/t

[rdharma]

27. You probably assumed incorrectly....... as usual! nt

[Bacchus4.0]

28. thats my guess. It could be drug dealing Ven government officials, or Ven chavista

paramilitaries drug dealers, but I could be wrong since we don't have any details on the perpetrators. The Ven police were unwilling to help so that is suspicious.

I'd be willing to bet 80 Bolivars though. Thats like a dollar on the black market.

[rdharma]

29. You're funny! A "bad english" day?

Remember ...... your edits and back-peddling have been recorded.

[Bacchus4.0]

30. thanks for the tip Mr. NSA, one for you: keep your head down when visiting Venezuela n/t

[Zorro]

43. Watch out, Bacchus!

Flubberlips has entered the room!

[delrem]

47. holy shit, this post passed the alert system 3 for 3.

But it has nothing to recommend it except something LOW, from someone TOO LOW to respond with reason.

[Zorro]

48. Don't like the taste of one's own medicine?

Ain't that a shame.

[delrem]

49. Your post was despicable. nt

[Zorro]

50. Didn't you say the other day you were leaving DU?

Looking more and more like another anti-US chavista lie.

[Bacchus4.0]

51. yeah, I was looking forward to his absence n/t

[delrem]

52. troll much?

[Zorro]

53. Nope.

Don't like the taste of your own medicine?

[delrem]

54. "anti-american" is the most trite of all right-wing troll bait.

Totally meaningless in itself, it just indicates that the right-winger, as usual for the kind, has no defence for the fascist goons he/she supports.

[Judi Lynn]

42. Your imagination is running to the right, again. Colombia Reports didn't say that.

What they said was:

Little is known about the assailants, but Colombia’s police inspector general, Yesid Vasquez, told Caracol radio that[font size=6][font color=red] “thanks to the cooperation of Venezuelan officials we are working on leads that will help uncover the facts.”[/font][/font]

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[Bacchus4.0]

44. Sure CR did. Its right there in the OP. I am no liar like Diosdado Cabello

“The relatives of these persons asked for help from the Venezuelan authorities to find the five disappeared individuals. They did not receive support and it fell to them to find the bodies. They found them, and subsequently brought them to Colombia,” said the minister, according to El Tiempo.

[Judi Lynn]

45. ‘Paramilitaries dump murder victims’ bodies in Venezuela’

‘Paramilitaries dump murder victims’ bodies in Venezuela’
Apr 21, 2010 posted by Alex Hocking

Paramilitaries are commiting murders in Colombia and then dumping the bodies in Venezuela to impede the investigation, according to a report by investigative website Verdad Abierta.

The website estimates that since the year 2000 more than 200 people have been murdered in Colombia’s Norte de Santander department and surrounding areas before being dumped in the Venezuelan state of Tachira, making it difficult for Colombian authorities to recover the bodies or investigate the deaths. The victims include peasants, smugglers, social leaders, business owners and the mentally ill. The practice continues today, even after the paramilitary groups have been formally disbanded, according to the report.

Fear of reprisal from the criminal groups, the lack of organization of Venezuelan authorities, and the political tensions between Colombia and Venezuela all contribute to making the recovery of bodies and the investigative process more difficult.

The township of Juan Frio, in Norte de Santander, is a major focal point for violence. Situated on the Colombian side of the border from Tachira, it was a major stronghold for the Frente Fronteras, an urban paramilitary group that formed part of the Catatumbo Bloc of the AUC paramilitary coalition. After the group’s official dissolution in 2004, a number of splinter groups emerged that have continued the violence in the region, including dumping bodies over the border.

More:
http://colombiareports.co/paramilitaries-dump-murder-victims-in-venezuela/

[COLGATE4]

31. Exactly. Venezuelan drug dealers. nt

[rdharma]

32. And innocent Colombians?

[COLGATE4]

33. Obviously to your thinking there is no

such thing as innocent Colombians. By definition, these poor bastards must have been guilty of something, right? And certainly, no innocents are ever murdered in the Chavistic Paradise formerly known as Venezuela.

[rdharma]

34. These boys weren't innocent.

Whatever mischief they were up to........they should have reconsidered.

[COLGATE4]

35. Got it. Obviously guilty as charged. Of whatever.

Stunning example of the complete lack of objectivity we have come to expect from your posts. Thanks for making it so obvious.

[rdharma]

36. Objectivity? I'm not the one who was trying to make this incident look like a hit......

...... by the government of Venezuela.

But a nice attempted smear, COLGATE4!

[COLGATE4]

37. Nice try and deflection but no cigar.

You are the one who started this by alleging that five people who lost their lives - under circumstances that are not stated - were probably drug dealers due to the fact that they had Colombian nationality. Your words - not mine.

[rdharma]

38. Didn't say drug dealers..... said probably illegal activity involved on their part.

Please be accurate. Thank-you!

[COLGATE4]

39. A distinction without a difference. nt

[rdharma]

40. No. nt

[Judi Lynn]

41. Could have crossed across the border "over my dead body!"

As we have learned from events in the past, an example appearing in this article:

‘Paramilitaries dump murder victims’ bodies in Venezuela’
Apr 21, 2010 posted by Alex Hocking

Paramilitaries are commiting murders in Colombia and then dumping the bodies in Venezuela to impede the investigation, according to a report by investigative website Verdad Abierta.

The website estimates that since the year 2000 more than 200 people have been murdered in Colombia’s Norte de Santander department and surrounding areas before being dumped in the Venezuelan state of Tachira, making it difficult for Colombian authorities to recover the bodies or investigate the deaths. The victims include peasants, smugglers, social leaders, business owners and the mentally ill. The practice continues today, even after the paramilitary groups have been formally disbanded, according to the report.

Fear of reprisal from the criminal groups, the lack of organization of Venezuelan authorities, and the political tensions between Colombia and Venezuela all contribute to making the recovery of bodies and the investigative process more difficult.

The township of Juan Frio, in Norte de Santander, is a major focal point for violence. Situated on the Colombian side of the border from Tachira, it was a major stronghold for the Frente Fronteras, an urban paramilitary group that formed part of the Catatumbo Bloc of the AUC paramilitary coalition. After the group’s official dissolution in 2004, a number of splinter groups emerged that have continued the violence in the region, including dumping bodies over the border.

More:
http://colombiareports.co/paramilitaries-dump-murder-victims-in-venezuela/

Sad the length fascists will go to to avoid paying for their criminality, in this case, stealing lives, stealing people from their loved ones, and of course, stealing their own respectability.

[delrem]

46. Sad the length fascists will go...

It is sad, and I don't see how OPs like this help.
OPs like this seem geared to create heat over light. To cause burning friction, but nothing to move forward on.

I just don't see it, Judi Lynn. I don't see their fucking point.

[Judi Lynn]

55. They intend to spread lies, even when it's clear they are lying.

If they had to rely upon the truth, they would have nothing to say at all.