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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:25 AM Sep 2012

Chavez Opposition Disintegrating

29 September 2012
Chavez Opposition Disintegrating
by Stephen Lendman

On October 7, voters get to choose Venezuela's next president. It's all over but the cheers, postmortems, and perhaps opposition planned disruptions.

Chavez remains overwhelmingly popular for good reason. He's a shoe in for reelection.

In modern times, no previous Venezuelan leader included popular interests on his agenda. Chavez prioritizes them. Why give up a good thing! Why return to the bad old days!

Vital social benefits include universal free healthcare and education, affordable housing, subsidized food, land reform, indigenous rights, and much more.

Gasoline for a Chevrolet Suburban's 39-gallon tank costs $3.51. In Norway, it's $394.68. Why indeed sacrifice beneficial changes.

Polls show what looks like a sure thing. In mid-September, 11 had Chavez ahead by 13 - 28%. Throughout the campaign, they've been relatively unchanged. One or two right wing ones faked it. They claim a close race.

More:
http://warisacrime.org/content/chavez-opposition-disintegrating

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Chavez Opposition Disintegrating (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2012 OP
Double speak. Look at the rallies Capriles holds. joshcryer Sep 2012 #1
Read the article nt tama Sep 2012 #2
I agree that Chavez will win naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #3
The progressive narrative tama Sep 2012 #4
Sure naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #5
I agree tama Sep 2012 #6
The article doesn't talk about the 200 defectors from Chavistas camp to Capriles, does it? joshcryer Sep 2012 #8
Josh, tama Sep 2012 #9
Thanks for your honesty. joshcryer Sep 2012 #10
I may be mistaken tama Sep 2012 #11
Perhaps you'll reassess my "credibility" when my prediction comes to fruition. joshcryer Sep 2012 #12
Actually tama Sep 2012 #13
I post nothing but the facts. joshcryer Sep 2012 #14
I read it, most of it is old. Capriles actually got a BUMP from the graft scandal. joshcryer Sep 2012 #7

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
1. Double speak. Look at the rallies Capriles holds.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:31 AM
Sep 2012

His final push does not in any way indicate a "disintegration" of his campaign.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
3. I agree that Chavez will win
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:56 AM
Sep 2012

but quoting "Venezuela Solidarity Campaign" as some sort of authoritative source is a joke.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
4. The progressive narrative
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:24 AM
Sep 2012

is not and does not need to be "authoritative" or "objective". Compassion and solidarity is the foundation and truth of our lives. Being honest about one's ideological background and motives is much better journalism than claims of objectivity, which is always blatant deception or self-deception. That said, constructive criticism and fact checking is most welcome and necessary. Are there any facts in the article you want to dispute, about the numerous defections from the right wing campaign, about reasons given, or other?

Or do you prefer do discuss and compare progressive narrative and neoliberal narrative on more general level?

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
5. Sure
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:29 AM
Sep 2012

This quote: " One or two right wing ones faked it. They claim a close race."

Is a ridiculous simplification of the polling issue. I posted a good article about that issue just a few days ago.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
6. I agree
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
Sep 2012

that the polling issue is very complex and confused. But it's basically empty discussion, much about nothing, people will vote election day and that's the only poll that really matters. The more interesting content of the article and basis of the argument was the numerous defections mentioned and reasons given. To put it in larger context, it was one more local piece of evidence of the neoliberal world order crumbling. I see the current implosion of Republican party in US as further evidence of global revolution advancing on all fronts, though of course situation in US, bastion and central pillar of neoliberalism, lags greatly behind Latin America and Europe.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
8. The article doesn't talk about the 200 defectors from Chavistas camp to Capriles, does it?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:32 PM
Sep 2012

Of course the article isn't actually objective, it only explains part of the narrative in order to try to frame the situation the way it wants, it doesn't actually cover the entire political landscape and if it did the only result would be a Capriles victory.

Only 8 days. Just watch. The meltdown is going to be amazing.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
10. Thanks for your honesty.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sep 2012

Not often people make it clear from the onset that they have no desire to have a constructive dialog.

Just don't be upset when Capriles wins O7. It's going to be pretty crazy around here.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
11. I may be mistaken
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:44 PM
Sep 2012

with my prejudice - and in fact hope so - but my initial time-and-effort calculation tells me that my desire for constructive dialog is not worth the effort with you.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
12. Perhaps you'll reassess my "credibility" when my prediction comes to fruition.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sep 2012

Otherwise maybe your judgment will be rendered poor.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
13. Actually
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012

my assessment is not based on your innocent wishful thinking, but on what you say in Assange threads where innocent ignorance seems much less plausible explanation than lying on purpose.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
14. I post nothing but the facts.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:55 PM
Sep 2012

But it's nice to know your character, judging me in this instance on something you disagreed with me on another instance. It's not about the facts for you.

BTW, calling me a liar is a common theme on these forums, yet no one can substantiate it, they themselves are the liars.

I have not lied about Assange nor have I lied about Capriles or Venezuelan politics in general.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
7. I read it, most of it is old. Capriles actually got a BUMP from the graft scandal.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

Believe it or not because he fired the guy immediately and changed the narrative to "I don't do corruption" he actually got more support from it. But the article doesn't mention that, does it?

Capriles has massive momentum.

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