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Judi Lynn

(160,623 posts)
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 11:18 PM Aug 2021

News I missed when it happened:Mexican soldiers ordered son of 'El Chapo' to call cartel to stop att

Mexican soldiers ordered son of ‘El Chapo’ to call cartel to stop attacks on them, video shows
By Ray Sanchez, CNN
Updated 9:32 PM EDT, Thu October 31, 2019

- video at link -

New video of El Chapo's son being arrested

(CNN) —
The son of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzmán appears to have surrendered meekly to Mexican security forces during a raid in the northern city of Culiacán.

“Tell them to stop this,” a soldier can be heard ordering Ovidio Guzmán López in video of the botched October 17 operation released this week by the Mexican government. Guzmán López then dials one of his brothers as bursts of gunfire explode in the background.

The Sinaloa Cartel had unleashed a heavily-armed fighting force that would soon outmaneuver and overpower military and national guard troops. Guzmán was eventually released, with security forces retreating in what was widely seen as a victory for the mighty cartel once run by his father.

“Stop all this, listen, stop all this, please,” Guzmán says on the call. “I’ve already surrendered.”

The strategy backfired. Cartel leaders instead threatened to come after the families of military personnel, government officials said.

For hours after Guzmán’s plea, members of his organization – armed with machine guns, grenade launchers and other weaponry – laid siege to parts of the city of one million people, according to a timeline released by Defense Minister Luis Crescencio Sandoval.

Operation carried out just over a month after US sought extradition
Gunmen surrounded and fired on the area around the home where Guzmán was briefly detained, Sandoval said. Military officers were taken hostage. Buses were commandeered – leaving commuters to run in fear – and used for roadblocks. A barrage of bullets was unloaded on a compound that housed military personnel and their families.

More:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/americas/el-chapo-son-operation-video/index.html

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The lavish lifestyle of ‘El Chapo’ Guzmán’s sons

Kidnapping of drug lord’s heir apparent by rival organization highlights internal weaknesses, say experts

JACOBO GARCÍA
Mexico City - 19 AUG 2016 - 07:06 CDT



A photo posted on the social networks of Mexican actress Kate del Castillo with El Chapo's son.

The downfall in recent years of Mexican drug baron Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán, culminating in his re-arrest in January, has hit the family of the head of the Sinaloa Cartel hard: his mother’s house in the town where he was born and grew up was ransacked, two of his nephews have been killed, and most recently, on Sunday evening, his son, Jesús Alfredo Guzmán, was snatched at gunpoint from a restaurant in the Pacific state of Jalisco along with five other men by members of rival drugs cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación.

The authorities have now launched a search for the missing men and are also looking into whether a seventh man, who managed to escape from the restaurant in Puerto Vallarta minutes before the kidnapping took place, is Iván Archivaldo, one of El Chapo’s nine children. Speculation has already begun as to whether he might even have betrayed his brother.

All of El Chapo’s children, as well as his wife, Alejandrina Salazar, have been accused of involvement in the drugs trade and of carrying out killings on their father’s behalf.

Alfredo and Iván Archivaldo, aged 30 and 35 respectively, are closest to their father and considered the heirs apparent of the Sinaloa Cartel, regarded as the world’s largest criminal enterprise, employing thousands of people and with a presence in around 100 nations, as well as running more airplanes than Mexico’s flag carrier Aeromexico.

But while they may end up taking over their father’s business, assuming they live long enough, they do not seem to have inherited his discretion.

More:
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2016/08/19/inenglish/1471605088_295758.html

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News I missed when it happened:Mexican soldiers ordered son of 'El Chapo' to call cartel to stop att (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2021 OP
The Peter principle seems to apply here UpInArms Aug 2021 #1
You've got that right! He spent almost his entire life creating his fortune and power. Judi Lynn Aug 2021 #2
Another film to watch UpInArms Aug 2021 #3
Great to get the heads-up. It should be excellent, as it deals with actual events, has great actors! Judi Lynn Aug 2021 #4

UpInArms

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1. The Peter principle seems to apply here
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 11:44 PM
Aug 2021
But while they may end up taking over their father’s business, assuming they live long enough, they do not seem to have inherited his discretion.

Judi Lynn

(160,623 posts)
2. You've got that right! He spent almost his entire life creating his fortune and power.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 01:00 AM
Aug 2021

It was all cruel, brutal, unbelievably vicious, but it took an incredible drive, determination, and an unbelievable mind for details! Oh, yeah, it also took the lives of between 2,000 and 3,000 people, as he confessed to authorities.

I just spent the last 3 nights watching Netflix's "El Chapo" 3 season series from Mexico, dubbed for English speakers, and was stunned. It was very helpful in getting a glimpse of the kind of people who've been leaving heads lying around to scare their adversaries, and bodies hanging from highway overpasses, etc. I learned they also employed a familiar hellish practice from Colombia's paramilitary death squad narcotraffickers, mudering their victims with chainsaws.

His sons have tried to step into his shoes, but they don't have the endurance and patience, it would seem!

Judi Lynn

(160,623 posts)
4. Great to get the heads-up. It should be excellent, as it deals with actual events, has great actors!
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:05 AM
Aug 2021

That's a tremendous combination, getting more perspective on actual people and their impact on the world. So many of these huge narcotraffickers involve a crowd of "public servants" in their pursuit of domination, and it's outstanding being able to get a look at how they get to their politicians, and their actual use of those public servants as they all serve themselves!

Colombia is just ridiculous! Anyone who dares to admit he/she's progressive there might as well paint a target on his/her back!

I've marked the video, will be looking for it. Thanks, a lot.

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