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Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:55 PM Jan 2022

Financial fees for "assets under management"

Glenn Ruffenach Encore column

Following a November column about financial fees. Specifically, I looked at “assets under management,” which is how many advisers are paid. Using this method, advisers assess their fee as a share—typically 1% a year—of the money they’re managing for a client.

My original point: Many retirees don’t understand how this fee model actually works and, as such, could be paying too much for the help they’re receiving. That thinking, not surprisingly, didn’t sit well with advisers, a number of whom told me I was naïve, at best, about the workings of their business. The “AUM model,” many said, is simple, time-tested, and benefits clients and advisers alike.

(snip, where he posted many comments)

For my part, I still see a fundamental disconnect: An AUM fee is tied more to the size of a client’s holdings and less to the actual work being done. Yes, many advisers work diligently for their clients, as do many lawyers, accountants, doctors and other professionals. But financial advisers are the only ones who ask for the size of your wallet before setting a fee.

And yes, clients with large portfolios might well require more work—and, thus, pay bigger fees. But I would wager that many or most advisers have well-heeled clients who require little, if any, hand-holding. If you happen to be one of those individuals, why are you paying the same fees as high-maintenance clients?

And if clients are interested primarily in the results that their advisers produce—and pay scant attention to their advisers’ fees—well, shame on those clients. A good financial adviser would tell them that, over time, steep fees, much like high inflation, can erode the value of one’s assets.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-financial-advisers-get-paid-what-the-readers-think-11641505154 (subscription)

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Financial fees for "assets under management" (Original Post) question everything Jan 2022 OP
No different really than tipping a server MichMan Jan 2022 #1
I would not compare a $50 steak to a $1 million portfolio. question everything Jan 2022 #2
Yeah 1% is $10 for a $1,000 IRA when you're 22 bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #3
The only sense: They get richer; you get poorer h2ebits Jan 2022 #4
You can buy shares of the Dow, symbol (dia) or Fortune 500 (spider) for no commission 3Hotdogs Jan 2022 #5

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
1. No different really than tipping a server
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jan 2022

Server bringing a $50 steak doesn't work 5x harder than one serving a $10 hamburger. Waiter opening a $100 bottle of wine doesn't work 20x harder than one with a $5 beer.

Yet we tip based on the total bill.

bucolic_frolic

(43,154 posts)
3. Yeah 1% is $10 for a $1,000 IRA when you're 22
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jan 2022

When you clock in at 72 with $278,000 they're taking you for $2,780 a year. The 50 years' cumulative fee had chopped your money by about 18%!

I was appalled to find major brokers charging 3% on the buy side. And financial planners $2,000 up front to set ETFs in motion.

Especially when there are sites online that ask you a pile of questions and have a broadly diversified portfolio for $0 to $50. Yes, $0. Zero. Managing money is a tithe game.

And these high-priced advisors choose from a handful of software companies that make the recommendations. They pay the SW a set fee per client, then tweak it 2% here or there and you have top-notch advice! All because the general public is not supposed to know anything about what to invest in, and all the personnel have SEC securities licenses to make similar calls.

As you can tell it makes no sense to me.

h2ebits

(644 posts)
4. The only sense: They get richer; you get poorer
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:19 PM
Jan 2022

I eliminated my "financial advisor" and his percentage of MY money years ago. I can't look back because it just causes me too much discomfort to think about the money I wasted--all because I bought into the idea that I didn't know enough. (And didn't have enough self confidence to know better.)

3Hotdogs

(12,375 posts)
5. You can buy shares of the Dow, symbol (dia) or Fortune 500 (spider) for no commission
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 08:07 PM
Jan 2022

and now management fee and probably do as well or better than the guy charging you 1%.

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