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wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:02 PM Jun 2013

A final message to my students after my firing

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/18/1217134/-A-final-message-to-my-students

The system works.
That I write these words may surprise those who are aware that my employer of the last 10 years, the Joplin R-8 Board of Education, voted 7-0 to terminate my contract earlier this month.

The decision did not surprise me. I was fully aware that teachers rarely survive termination hearings. This hearing, not permanent employment, is the only thing that tenure offers, despite the protestations of the so-called “reformers,” who insist it is keeping thousands of bad teachers in the classrooms.

Not a single parent or student complained about me. The primary witnesses were six administrators. Though the charges against me had nothing to do with any kind of pedophilia, the district’s human resources manager insisted that when she interviewed girls about me, they were so supportive of me that she saw signs of “grooming.” My lawyer vigorously objected to the woman’s loaded language, but it was allowed to remain on the record.

Other such innuendo was sprinkled throughout the administrators’ testimony with the board president noting each of my attorney’s objections and then allowing the remarks to continue unimpeded.
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A final message to my students after my firing (Original Post) wilsonbooks Jun 2013 OP
Proof that education has become way too politicized: when anyone can say "I saw signs of grooming" & patrice Jun 2013 #1
"Signs of grooming." What is that supposed to mean? I don't get it? calimary Jun 2013 #16
It means the administrators didn't like that he was blogging the truth about the school system, so Squinch Jun 2013 #18
Actually he wasn't blogging about the school district proud2BlibKansan Jun 2013 #19
I was meaning the school system in the wider sense. Squinch Jun 2013 #21
I do think he was fired because he has a blog and writes about education proud2BlibKansan Jun 2013 #22
Grooming is a tactic JoeyT Jun 2013 #30
From reading the comments it seems there is more to the story... nt DURHAM D Jun 2013 #2
Here is Mr Turner's take on the story wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #26
Tell me again how men don't go into teaching because of the pay. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #3
The system works against so many teachers these days... A friend of mine had it even worse! cascadiance Jun 2013 #4
This is a nationwide problem duffyduff Jun 2013 #5
The next thing she should do after this is sue TSPC duffyduff Jun 2013 #7
I don't know the details of her case that well... cascadiance Jun 2013 #9
This story is weird as hell. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #10
The whole process was flawed... Read more here. cascadiance Jun 2013 #13
Weird unanimous jury rule. Tafiti Jun 2013 #14
That is just awful! Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #6
Thanks for this. woofless Jun 2013 #8
Hey Warren. wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #25
yahoo version GladRagDahl Jun 2013 #11
I hope he becomes School Board President. IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #12
Have you talked to an attorney other than your union's attorney? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #15
It's limited what you can do. I found that out the hard way. duffyduff Jun 2013 #17
Sounds like he has a defamation case proud2BlibKansan Jun 2013 #20
I hope so, too, duffyduff Jun 2013 #23
This isn't the country I grew up in. I hope he sues the authoritarian beejesus out of them. pacalo Jun 2013 #24
The propaganda that a Union worker cannot be fired is a widespread misconception. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #27
Teachers are fired easily. All they have is the "right" to a bogus hearing. duffyduff Jun 2013 #31
Now all he needs to do is sue the suit who made the "grooming" crack Warpy Jun 2013 #28
What exactly were the administration complaining about Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #29
One of the administrators was whining that she felt he portrayed her in that book. duffyduff Jun 2013 #32

patrice

(47,992 posts)
1. Proof that education has become way too politicized: when anyone can say "I saw signs of grooming" &
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jun 2013

that's taken as an unquestioned fact, when whatever she saw could have been any number of effects from other factors.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
16. "Signs of grooming." What is that supposed to mean? I don't get it?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jun 2013

Code language for something teabaggers don't like?

What is that supposed to mean?

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
18. It means the administrators didn't like that he was blogging the truth about the school system, so
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

they had to make up any old shit to get rid of him. The more cruel and destructive the better.

Weird ass code those administrators have, isn't it?

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
19. Actually he wasn't blogging about the school district
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jun 2013

I've read his blog for years. He wrote about legislation and policy and the tornado recently but he didn't openly criticize his district.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
22. I do think he was fired because he has a blog and writes about education
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jun 2013

But they used his book because that was an easier way to get him.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
30. Grooming is a tactic
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:47 AM
Jun 2013

pedophiles use to get children to trust them.

Apparently in this case students that didn't hate their teacher was "evidence" of grooming. Given what went down, had they hated the teacher it would have been "evidence" of abuse.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
26. Here is Mr Turner's take on the story
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

It has to be the book (1+ / 0-)
It is not the board. It is the two top administrators in the district and it appears to all be about the book No Child Left Alive. The book is a satire about a year in a dysfunctional high school in a dysfunctional school district where education and discipline have been sacrificed as ambitious administrators push their own agendas. I have been told that the satire hit too close to home. There are a few people, including one of the reporters who covered the case, who think that my problems can be traced back to my personal blog While I never wrote about the school district on the blog, except in positive ways, I was warned about writing about politicians and other friends of the administrators. There are also a few people who believe administration was sending a message that if you step out of line, you are going to be crushed. I can't be for sure if it is one of those things or something else that I haven't even thought about. In my 22 years as a newspaper reporter, I covered stories involving corrupt cops and politicians, child murderers, and absolute lunatics, but I never ran into anything like this. Any teacher, even one who had tenure as I had, can be removed, simply for violating school policies. There was no need for them to create something like that to get rid of me so you are right, something is missing here.

by rturner229 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 10:08:11 PM PDT

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
4. The system works against so many teachers these days... A friend of mine had it even worse!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jun 2013

She got wrongfully convicted of child abuse, and the system totally worked against her and didn't provide adequate defense counsel, etc. and how they prosecuted her and convicted her was totally messed up. She got out when an Appeals court saw that the system had messed up and wrongfully convicted her.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/07/substitute_teachers_sex-abuse.html

I got to know her a year ago and she's become a good friend now, as this is now a part of her life and she's looking to help fix the situation here in Oregon so that it can offer better protection for those like herself from such situations like has been done more in other states like California. I can imagine that this guy feels similarly "trapped" in a situation which he shouldn't have to deal with alone. I think I might forward this story to her.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
5. This is a nationwide problem
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

Turner's case is not unique; in fact, teachers have been fired for a lot less than his bogus case.

It's all about administrators' desire to save face, and they will throw teachers under the bus to do it.

And yes, they can and do fabricate charges against teachers in order for them to save their own jobs.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
7. The next thing she should do after this is sue TSPC
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013

Her name is there on the "blacklist":

http://www.tspc.state.or.us/temp_images/C00078510PR01285904.pdf

It does state that it "can reconsider" the revocation if she is completely exonerated.

If they don't, sue.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
9. I don't know the details of her case that well...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jun 2013

If you go to her web site at:

http://www.justiceforlucinda.org/

You can see that she cut a plea deal that perhaps prevents her from suing them. Not sure. But I do know that I met her shortly after she was freed at a local political party committee meeting here where many have known her and supported her through this ordeal. She helped provide testimony in a recent trip to our state legislature not much more than a month ago. She made a big difference in some legislation with her personal accounts she spoke of in her testimony as a part of their proceedings, and actually had some Republicans apologizing to her afterwards. I think she's found a way to continue her life doing constructive and rewarding things, even if it might not have been what she initially set out to do.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
10. This story is weird as hell.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jun 2013
She then allegedly took a female third-grade student around the corner and closed a fire door. She was accused of using one hand to grab the student's crotch over her clothing, while using the other to keep the door closed or to hold onto the student, who was trying to push her away. The alleged grabbing lasted for about one minute. Hites-Clabaugh then allowed the student to return to the others, but later told her not to say anything, according to the account.
When the regular teacher returned to work, the student told her that the substitute teacher had touched her between the legs, according to the account, triggering the investigation by Woodburn police.
The opinion raises several questions about the case against Hites-Clabaugh, noting that the Woodburn officer did not view the school hallway where the alleged abuse occurred and did not interview any other students or teachers. The student could not name the substitute teacher nor could she identify Hites-Clabaugh at the trial. The police officer admitted that he did not know the county's protocols for investigating child abuse.
Hites-Clabaugh maintained that the abuse never took place. But in her trial, presided over by Marion County Circuit Judge Lynn Ashcroft, a jury found her guilty in a 10-2 verdict. Marion County Circuit Judge Dale Penn sentenced her in August 2010 to a prison term of six years and three months.


"a 10-2 verdict"?

Isn't that pretty much the definition of "reasonable doubt"?

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/07/substitute_teachers_sex-abuse.html
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
13. The whole process was flawed... Read more here.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.justiceforlucinda.org/the-case.html

Of course this isn't from a media source, but you can tell that proper procedures in talking to the girl alleging the incident weren't followed, and the court system and the prosecutors appeared to be more interested in getting through a case and getting another notch on their conviction board rather than really dispense justice. I can't speak for her completely, but I recall she had an appointed defense attorney, and not one she hired herself, and that perhaps this was part of the problem as well, as a more competent and motivated defense attorney would have made sure that the case were investigated properly and prosecuted properly as well.

If you are a jury, and you don't have the case presented to you properly, you could render a wrong verdict. It's been done before as DNA tests have shown in many other cases, and it will be done again. As important as a jury decision is, it is equally as important that the process of investigation and prosecution is done properly as well, which starts with the school, continues with the police, and ends with the prosecution attorneys and judge if it goes to court.

Tafiti

(1,723 posts)
14. Weird unanimous jury rule.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jun 2013

Oregon and I believe Louisiana are the only ones that do not require a unanimous jury to convict someone, although I think 10-2 is the floor in Oregon and 9-3 in Louisiana. In the 70s, the Supreme Court ruled that the Sixth Amendment requires a unanimous jury in criminal convictions in federal court, but the Fourteenth does not impose the same requirement on state court convictions.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
25. Hey Warren.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jun 2013

We do miss you in these parts but I am glad you have found a home in a more congenial neighborhood. Fortunately my Sarah is in an excellent private school and not subject to the moronic administration in the joplin school system.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
17. It's limited what you can do. I found that out the hard way.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jun 2013

My "union" absolutely shafted me in order to cut deals with the district when a wrongful termination happened to me. I was not told of my right to file a complaint with EEOC, and without that letter to sue, it was impossible to get a lawyer to take my case. All of the statutes of limitations have expired.

I think in Turner's case, he's looking into it.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
23. I hope so, too,
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

and gets a good settlement out of it, but he's screwed out of ever being able to resume a teaching career.

This termination was a result of some administrator being insulted because she believed she was being portrayed in that book.

It's all about saving face with these administrators, and they are gods in public ed.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
27. The propaganda that a Union worker cannot be fired is a widespread misconception.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jun 2013

I did a good job for my last employer but I had gotten on the bad side of regional level management and they had it in for me. They finally got me on progressive disciplinary action and I waited two months for my discharge hearing.

Despite my Union rep presenting multiple points of order on every disciplinary letter, the arbitrator insisted on hearing the case instead of throwing it out, like it should have been. The charges were non factual, non specific and unjust but it didn't matter. As the hearing progressed it was like being punched in the stomach over and over. The Local presented an over one hour long case on my behalf but I still lost.

The company told multiple lies about me to bolster their case and it worked. I was made out to be a good for nothing when I was actually a reliable and compliant worker. I have a pretty good idea of the sense of injustice that teacher is feeling right now.

If you have a case go before an arbitrator, better go ahead and get your resume in order. You will probably lose. Union power has been eroded to the point that you have only a little more job security than in a non union workplace.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
31. Teachers are fired easily. All they have is the "right" to a bogus hearing.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jun 2013

The only way teachers get reinstated by school districts is if they have an outside lawyer.

I was psychologically raped by that school district, and all on the basis of lies because a couple of administrators wanted to cover their worthless asses, and I have never recovered any confidence in my ability to teach or to do any kind of meaningful work.

All of the players in a termination hearing are in bed with each other. I learned that the hard way, and I have yet to find regular employment five years later. Never told of my EEOC rights by my "union," and it am sure it was deliberate, so I missed that statute of limitations there.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
28. Now all he needs to do is sue the suit who made the "grooming" crack
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013

for slander and he will probably win.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
32. One of the administrators was whining that she felt he portrayed her in that book.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jun 2013

The character, of course, was an unfavorable character.

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