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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 03:22 PM Jan 2017

Dealing with hope like an ancient Greek

The Great Philosophers 2: The Stoics

The Stoics (...) believed that anxiety flourishes in the gap between what we fear might, and what we hope could, happen. The larger the gap, the greater will be the oscillations and disturbances of mood.

To regain calm, what we need to do is systematically and intelligently crush every last vestige of hope. Rather than appease ourselves with sunny tales, it is far better – the Stoics proposed – to courageously come to terms with the very worst possibilities – and then make ourselves entirely at home with them. When we look our fears in the face and imagine what life might be like if they came true, we stand to come to a crucial realisation: we will cope. We will cope even if we had to go to prison, even if we lost all our money, even if we were publicly shamed, even if our loved ones left us, and even if the growth turned out to be malignant (the Stoics were firm believers in suicide).

I have been proposing a Stoic response to the global crisis for many years now. Not only do I advocate "intelligently crushing every last vestige of hope" I also recommend doing the same to fear. We have no way of telling how things will unfold, the only certainty is that it will be neither as we fear nor as we hope. Fearing a negative outcome and hoping for a positive one are equally foolish.

Leave hope and fear by the side of the road. Walk the journey in your own shoes. Feel the road beneath your feet and the sun and rain on your face. You walk only in the present, not in the past or the future. If you can do that well, all else becomes irrelevant.
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Dealing with hope like an ancient Greek (Original Post) GliderGuider Jan 2017 OP
Abandon hope was sound advice pscot Jan 2017 #1
And, as a bonus, life becomes filled with pleasant surprises . . . hatrack Jan 2017 #4
How lovely for you. Duppers Jan 2017 #2
No, how lovely for the ancient Greeks. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #3
A zen pupil gave his master a beautiful porcelain tea cup. Binkie The Clown Jan 2017 #5
I'd rather be a pessimist because then I can only be pleasantly surprised. -- Ben Franklin eppur_se_muova Jan 2017 #6
I believe our species will see a massive die off within a generation or two. Alex4Martinez Jan 2017 #7
You've been doing some thinking about this. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #8

pscot

(21,024 posts)
1. Abandon hope was sound advice
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Jan 2017

from one of Nero's chief advisers. If you really internalize his philosophy you may find yourself walking a fine line between calm, phlegmatic objectivity and not giving a damn.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. No, how lovely for the ancient Greeks.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jan 2017

I've found that very few these days are inclined to break the chains of their cultural colonization and follow the sage advice of ancient men.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
5. A zen pupil gave his master a beautiful porcelain tea cup.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 03:17 AM
Jan 2017

A zen pupil gave his master a beautiful porcelain tea cup.
The master told the student, "Thank you for the lovely broken cup."
"But master," the pupil objected. "The cup is not broken."
"It will be, some day," said the master. "So we should get used to that, even now."


Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
7. I believe our species will see a massive die off within a generation or two.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 05:39 PM
Jan 2017

And I believe that enough of us will survive to prevent extinction and the survivors will build a new world.

I don't think we have the required capacity to learn from history to prevent a repeat of our mistakes, so I've not hopeful that the new world will be remarkably more sane than the current one.

Happy New Year!

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