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NNadir

(33,516 posts)
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 04:53 PM Jan 2018

California's Energy Flow Diagram.



This comes from a paper on energy and water a few years back, but the diagram reflects the entire energy flow of the entire state after half a century of "by 'such and such' a date" legislation.

Environ. Sci. Technol., 2015, 49 (6), pp 3314–3321

Sometimes the state is described as a "renewable energy nirvana," but like most such nirvanas, it's just marketing.

Have a nice evening.

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zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Look at losses
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jan 2018

If I'm reading it correctly, there is more loss than actual end use. There are almost 4 times as much loss as there is produced from "other renewables".

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
2. The laws of thermodynamics
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jan 2018

You can't win
You can break even on a cold day
Wherever you are, it doesn't ever get that cold!

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
4. Thermodynamic losses from "other renewables" wouldn't actually matter, although...
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jan 2018

...a lot of people who buy into that electric car and other battery fantasy game would certainly create lots of thermodynamic losses, were that science fiction fantasy to really happen.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127114742

"Other renewables" remain even after 50 years of cheering, the expenditure of trillions of dollars world wide, a trivial form of energy, advertised with insane amounts of public cheering and with Percent talk that only seems significant because renewables are an in reality it's a trivial form of energy.

If you have a dollar and announce that you've increased your money by 155%, no one will be impressed. If you have 28 billion dollars and do the same, well, people would take notice

The entire "other renewables" is actually a thermodynamic shell game played as that old human favorite, denial.

And more and more I'm coming to the conclusion that the uncritical worship of renewables is very much the same as the denial that says that dangerous fossil fuels don't cause climate change.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. The losses are the most significant feature of that chart
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jan 2018

I realize to those in the business there isn't alot of news there, but what this points to is that the system currently has more losses than most other effects, in some cases combined. I am presuming that much of that is transmission losses. Which really only speaks to the need to de-centralize power production and place production closer to the point of usage. And I suspect they aren't actually account for all of the "real" losses either, since there is alot of voltage changes and rectifying going on at the user end which may also be generating losses.

Of course it's a bit deceiving to admit the losses on the electrical side, and not admit to them on the thermal/transportation side. Depending on how one wants to define losses, the transportation side can be experiencing anywhere from 60 - 80% losses in actual transportation uses. It is where there is less "fantasy" in the electric vehicle side that you want to acknowledge. Electric on the usage side can avoid things like idle time, braking losses, and a bit of improvement in acceleration efficiency.

But I do understand that there are severe limitations on our current renewables side in terms of total potential capacity. And as you suggest, three of the greatest are probably raw materials, available space, and total available energy (i.e. we've probably dammed most of the dammable rivers). But I also think we have a huge hill to climb on the nuclear side. Again, getting back to the transmission losses lesson, it may make vastly more sense to place pebble bed kinds of technology near the point of use, and with small to moderate levels of energy production in a more vastly distributed system than the current large, multi reactor models currently used.

progree

(10,904 posts)
7. As for electricity -- most of the losses are 2nd law of thermodynamics at the power plant
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Tue Jan 9, 2018, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Thermal power plants throw away about 65-70% of the energy in the fuel in converting the heat to electric power. That's true of nuclear plants too, they are even a little worse because they operate at lower temperatures (at the metal surfaces of the fuel rods) than coal, oil, and natural gas plants.

As for transmission loss, we figured about 7% at the transmission levels (69 KV and above) and another few percent at the distribution level -- below 69 KV.

I worked in the generation planning department, transmission planning department, and system operations department at Northern States Power Co. Minnesota (before it merged with Public Service of Colorado to become Xcel Energy).

As for automobile gasoline engines -- you are entirely right. On average, 80% of the energy in the fuel is wasted (it too is a heat engine that is affected by the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and what's more, because it is mobile and on a small scale, can't be designed to be as "efficient" as an electric power generating plant where there are no restrictions on size or weight or having to be mobile).

The good thing about electricity, after you've gone through all the fuel energy loss in creating it, is that electric motors are like 95% efficient in using it.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. The good thing
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jan 2018

You're right about the motor efficiency. That's why I'm still believing that for transportation, electric motors are needed. They also do better in acceleration performance as well, which helps with efficiency.

And it's also been my perception that it is better to generate the electricity for the car at a power plant, instead of with an IC engine under the hood, because I can optimize the power plant better than the car. Although considering losses in the system, I wonder if a small turbine under the hood at an optimized rpm would be as good.

65- 70% sounds worse than I thought. How dated is that info? I was always under the impression that the limiting factor was the inlet temperature to the turbine. I'da thought we were getting better there?

progree

(10,904 posts)
10. Efficiency improvement of power plants -- Not that I've heard
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)

65- 70% sounds worse than I thought. How dated is that info? I was always under the impression that the limiting factor was the inlet temperature to the turbine. I'da thought we were getting better there?


https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=107&t=3
To express the efficiency of a generator or power plant as a percentage, divide the equivalent Btu content of a kWh of electricity (3,412 Btu) by the heat rate. For example, if the heat rate is 10,500 Btu, the efficiency is 33%. If the heat rate is 7,500 Btu, the efficiency is 45%.



Average heat rates of different power generation methods
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_08_02.html

They are almost all 10,000 BTU/KWH or above (3412/10000 = 34% efficiency), higher numbers are less efficient.

Add to that about 10% in delivery cost (transmission and distribution losses). So something that is 9500 BTU/KWH at the power plant is more like 10,450 BTU/delivered KWH.

There isn't that much combined cycle, in terms of total GW, which from an energy efficiency standpoint is much better. But it's also more costly to build. Combined cycle typically takes the waste heat expelled by a gas turbine power generator, and uses it to heat water into steam to generate electricity

Edited to add the next to last paragraph above on delivery cost




progree

(10,904 posts)
11. On electric motors for cars -- yes, they cost about half as much per mile in energy costs
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jan 2018

Using the average national costs for electricity and gasoline. At least per Consumer Reports. So although electric power generation and delivery and battery storage may be extremely very horribly inefficient, perhaps to the level of a crime against humanity, gasoline engines are even worse.

Using current prices --
https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html
A Nissan Leaf uses 29 KWH/100 mile
At 12cents/KWH, it costs 29*0.12 = $3.48 to go 100 miles

Gasoline cars: $2.50 per gallon,
At 50 mpg = $2.50 per 50 miles = $5.00 per 100 miles
At 40 mpg it would be $6.25,
At 35 mpg it would be $7.14

Like the Edmunds.com article says, though, the price of electricity varies widely, and time-of-use rates are becoming more widespread.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
8. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. However, as your other respondent noted...
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:32 AM
Jan 2018

...you have certain thermodynamic misapprehensions, despite your witty restatement of the three main laws of thermodynamics, which wit aside, are a little misleading.

Let me see if I can improve your understanding of these laws a little bit, since any intelligent decision about energy necessarily involves an understanding of these incontrovertible laws, which - try as they might to do so, particularly in California - no legislature can repeal.

It's actually, ironically, an opportune time for me, since my kid is home from College for his winter break, and we've just received his textbook for one of the courses he'll be taking next semester - he's majoring in materials science engineering - this one: Thermodynamics of Materials I've been leafing through it for fun and also to get a feel about what he'll be learning and how he will understand this critical subject. (It's a pretty well written book by the way.)

Thermodynamics is, by the way, a difficult subject to understand on a profound level - at least it was for me - and thus it is easy to pull the thermodynamic wool over the public eyes to use a fun cliche.

You are incorrect when you write, "I am presuming that much of that is transmission losses," a statement that you advance to suggest that distributed energy is a good idea. Despite public enthusiasm for this idea, that distributed energy is a good idea, from a strictly environmental standpoint distributed energy is a terrible, awful, idea, and is, in my opinion, one of the worst, among many urban myths about energy. One reason that this is so is that distributed energy is distributed pollution, and the automobile, the invention of which was probably the world's largest environmental disasters in history - this applies to electric, gasoline, diesel and biofuel powered cars - is the world's largest distributed energy systems, obviating why distributed energy sucks. One can put a scrubber - at least in theory if not in practice - on a dangerous fossil fuel power plant, even a scrubber for the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide, since the pollutant is in a large centralized area. The best one can do, by contrast, with a car is to add a catalyst, and catalysts, which in most places are only monitored periodically, can and do become inactivated.

The electric car, which is the subject of much public fantasy as being "green" is, in particular, a thermodynamic nightmare.

Transmission accounts, depending on the distance transported, for losses that amount to only a small portion of energy losses described in the chart. The overwhelming losses shown are second law losses, a result of the fact that California, pretty much like every other place on this planet, relies to an overwhelming extent on thermal power.

The concept of energy efficiency is often taught to undergraduates in terms of Carnot efficiency. There are many graphic evocations of Carnot efficiency all over the internet, this one - the first to pop on google - is pretty good and includes the famous efficiency equation:



The maximal amount of energy that one can obtain from a heat engine is known as the "exergy" but one will always lose energy to the environment as entropy, irrespective of how close one can to the total exergy possible in a system. Entropy can be a sort of gooey subject, but the most beautiful statement of it is Bolzmann's equation, which is inscribed on his tombstone constructed after his suicide:



S is the entropy, k is the Boltzmann constant - which has a habit of showing up in lots of places since is fundamental to the universe - and W is a number referring to the number of possible states a system can have on an atomic scale, generally a vast number. This is often described in public parlance as disorder, which in a sense it is, although this description is somewhat vague without an understanding of the statistical mechanics of gases, for example.

Now, as the other correspondent noted in response to your post, the efficiency of a system depends on the temperature gradient. This is why, if you look on some websites such as those of the EIA - which to my knowledge Trump and the Republicans, with their well known contempt for science, haven't destroyed yet - you will see power plants described as having "summer capacity" and "winter capacity." Thermal power plants are more efficient in winter because the temperatures of their surroundings are lower.

The other way to increase efficiency is to raise the temperature of the device.

The work extracted from a system is dependent on the path of the heat flows. This is why the differentials in thermodynamic equations have a funny looking symbol to evoke them, since they are not strictly immediately intergrable.

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a2b2ec583c3d49153ea73afaf917f6f4f542ce92

Most coal, nuclear and still the majority (I think) of gas plants have fairly low thermal efficiency, typically on the order of around 33%. The majority of them rely on the Rankine (steam) thermodynamic cycle which involves a phase transition, almost always of water commercially - although other fluids can and have been used - in which the liquid fluid is boiled and the vapor is allowed to expand against a turbine or piston. However one can recover more work by choosing another high temperature cycle that has become available because of advances in materials science, in particular the development of "superalloys" and thermal barrier coatings. This is the Brayton cycle. The Brayton cycle relies on simply heating a gas to raise its pressure and letting it expand against a turbine.

The most common Brayton cycle device is the jet engine. Jet engines all rely on superalloy materials.

Very modern and highly efficient gas plants are "combined cycle" plants which use both the Brayton and Rankine cycles, although despite their high thermodynamic efficiency are still extremely dangerous plants since they are permitted to dump their waste, carbon dioxide, directly into the planetary atmosphere. The first working fluid is the gas carbon dioxide, which has been heated to very high temperatures by its formation in a reaction to oxidize methane and other small alkanes in dangerous natural gas. It expands against a superalloy thermal barrier coated turbine, an exits, at temperatures far in excess of the boiling point of water, into a line where it is cooled by water which boils and is used to drive a steam turbine.

A clean option, as opposed to the unacceptably dirty option involving the dangerous fossil fuel "natural gas" is to use high temperature nuclear reactors, such as the "pebble bed" reactor you evoke. Another type of reactor of this type is the HTGC, high temperature gas cooled reactor, originally developed at General Atomics. Unfortunately, most of the high temperature nuclear reactors that have been built were economic failures - with the exception of the first nuclear reactor ever built, the Calder Hall reactor in Britain, a "Magnox" reactor in which the working fluid was carbon dioxide in a closed system, and which operated for more than half a century, albeit not without problems, and regrettably, because of materials science issues that were discovered after it went into operation at relatively low thermal efficiency.

A series of new players have been developed that also promise very high thermal efficiency, these are the liquid lead (or lead/bismuth eutectic) cooled reactors that are "breed and burn" reactors that are designed to never require refueling in their lifetimes. Companies working on these are Nuscale and Bill Gates' Terrapower. Another example are the MSR, molten salt reactors, which I studied a great deal many years back, and for which I had much enthusiasm, although I've changed my mind and no longer think they are the ideal type of nuclear reactors for reasons which will take too long to describe.

However, in theory nuclear power plants utilizing modern materials science can demonstrate previously unattainable thermodynamic efficiency by use - I believe - of a ternary combined cycle. In this scheme, steam (sometimes in the presence of waste carbon or biomass) can be utilized to generate hydrogen at very high temperatures (or also by thermochemical water splitting), the syn gas or hydrogen can expand against a turbine (Brayton) and ultimately boil water or another working fluid (Rankine). I suspect this kind of process, or related processes, might raise thermal efficiency closer to the pure exergy limit. I've thought a lot about this, and other people have as well.

A word about the efficiency of solar cells, which in my view are unacceptably dangerous, despite public enthusiasm for them.

They are not thermodynamically efficient, since they only capture a portion of the energy they receive. Depending on where one stands on the planet, the solar flux, insolation, is on the order of 1300 watts per square meter. There's a lot of hype about solar efficiency, much of it highly questionable, but typically the best of them operate at 20% efficiency. The usual response to this is "So what? Solar energy is 'free.'" This is a bullshit statement and is just one of the lies that drives this unfortunate scam, the other being reporting peak power as if it were average continuous power, which for the solar scam, involves typically very low capacity utilization, even before they get covered with dust and, in California recently, ash. Low efficiency is connected with the amount of surface area that solar cells must cover, the more surface area they are required to cover, the more habitat must be destroyed to install this crap, and worse, the more materials they demand for manufacture.

Were the solar industry ever to become significant - it won't, it will just soak up money for no useful purpose - another seldom discussed issue is the change in the planetary albedo. Solar cells are generally black, and thus they absorb light and discharge it as heat, just like a thermal system does. When this heat is released to the surroundings, it does not radiate into space transparently as white light does. This raises the temperature of the atmosphere. Fortunately the solar industry is and will always remain a trivial source of energy, but would be a real issue nonetheless.

Changes to the planetary albedo - derived from the melting of ice - is an important feedback loop in climate change. The solar industry did not work to slow climate change, it is not working to do so, and it will not work to do so.

A word on electric cars: Electric cars are extremely inefficient devices because they involve many thermodynamic energy losses because of the second law. The majority of electricity on this planet is generated using dangerous fossil fuels. Here is a list of the energy transformations involved, all of which are subject to the second law: Chemical energy (dangerous fossil fuels) is converted into thermal energy (steam), which is converted into mechanical energy (turbine) which is then converted to electrical energy (generator), transmitted with (minor) losses, then reconverted into chemical energy (the battery), then recovered to electrical energy, and then converted to mechanical energy.

This is not an efficient process. In places where electricity is particularly dirty, China for instance, it has been shown that the loss of life from electric cars is actually worse than the loss of life (in both cases to air pollution) than gasoline cars.

Electric Vehicles in China: Emissions and Health Impacts (Cherry et al Environ. Sci. Technol., 2012, 46 (4), pp 2018–2024)

In a gasoline or diesel car the transformations are dangerous fossil fuel (or biofuel) to thermal energy to mechanical energy, far fewer thermodynamic dependent processes, and therefore, almost always more efficient, which is not to say that I am fond of gasoline powered cars.

In my view, the cleanest possible car - if we must have cars - is a diesel powered car run on the wonder fuel dimethyl ether, which is, in fact accessible to nuclear energy, the cleanest possible primary energy source there is.

The enthusiasm for electric cars by "green" advocates is a highly dubious environmental undertaking in my view, and seriously needs to be carefully reconsidered.

Thank you for thinking. I hope this response has been useful to you, educational and will lead you to question your assumptions.

Have a nice day tomorrow.














zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. That witty reply
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jan 2018

My witty thermo expression was from my thermodynamics professor. It was intended to be humorous, not a detailed description of the three laws.

Jet engines were my background and material science was the limiting factor 30 years ago. I had presumed we had made better advances over the last 3 decades. That's why I was surprised at the large losses still expressed, and hoped they were transmission losses.

You shouldn't be so sanguine about solar. And idea that has been around for a long time is placing solar power collection in orbit, and beaming the energy down. I've always been concerned about the losses in such a system, not to mention if successful at beaming down any significant amount of energy, that it would be additional solar energy introduced into the ecosystem.

But basically we are still in a fight with thermmodynamics and it doesn't seem to be getting any better as quickly as we are increasing our world wide demand for energy.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
16. From the diagram, one can easily calculate what the thermal efficiency of California electricity...
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:19 PM
Jan 2018

...is.

If we sum the outputs for electricity, we see that it is (7.3+37.2+129.4+312.4+447.4) = 933.7 The units in the paper happen to be million BTU, but it doesn't matter since the units will cancel out in the efficiency calculation.

The losses were 1588 million BTU.

Thus the thermal efficiency of California's electricity is 933.7/(933.7+1588) =37.02%.

This is very close to the typical efficiency of a Rankine cycle power plant, usually around 33-34%.

California, which depends heavily on dangerous natural gas, utilizing the "freedom" to indiscriminately dump its carbon dioxide directly into its favorite waste dump, the planetary atmosphere, is a leader in combined cycle gas plants.

As of 2014, they had 34 of them operating.

This represented, from the text of the document, roughly 40% of the dangerous natural gas plants in the State as of 4 years ago. This probably accounts for the slightly higher thermal efficiency of California power plants as compared to the national average which, despite about all the hype about so called "renewable energy" is roughly 34%, pretty much what one expects from a thermal plant, and showing that the United States is pretty much a Rankine cycle country very much tied up with burning the dangerous fossil fuel natural gas, and still, very significant amounts of coal despite all the "coal is dead," wishful thinking that goes around.

I'm sorry if I assumed that you had never taken a thermodynamics course, which I did on seeing your remark attributing losses to transmission, which again, are minor losses; in my defense it does seem like it was a long time ago that you took the course.

I dream thermodynamics in my sleep, and it's always somewhere in the back of my brain.

It appears that the thermal efficiency of California's transportation system is on the order of 18%, given probably the famous traffic in the state. However, it is unlikely that electric vehicles - the big time fantasy object here and else where - would do much to raise this efficiency, since electricity is only 37% thermally efficient, and more losses, as I noted earlier, would result from second law effects involved - yes - transmission, combined with the second law losses associated conversion of electricity to chemical energy, back to electrical energy and then to mechanical energy.

There have been significant advances in refractory high strength materials in the last 30 years. Although commercially they are still dominated by nickel based superalloys, a number of high strength reduced nickel and nickel free superalloys have been developed, and more importantly I think, interesting composites.

A class of highly advanced materials in which I've been extremely interested in the last few years are the MAX phases which feature the most of the best qualities of metals (strength, machinability, electric conductivity, resistance to thermal shock and thermal conductivity) along with most of the best qualities of ceramics (resistance to chemical attack, high melting points.)

I wrote recently in this space on the subject of MAX phases: An interesting thesis on the utility of MAX phases in the manufacture of turbine blades.

I am vicariously enjoying my son's education as a materials science engineering major. He was writing high school research papers about MAX phases in his AP classes, and I'm a proud father that he's taken an interest in my interests.

Enjoy your Friday.

progree

(10,904 posts)
5. It would be interesting to see a diagram of net NEW energy sources
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 03:02 AM
Jan 2018

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what's being built, what's being retired. I'm sure it would look a lot different.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
13. Here's Livermore's chart from 2014 for CA
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:08 AM
Jan 2018

I find this a bit easier to follow... though it's the same basic story of course. You can find this and other charts (for the whole US, other states...) at Livermore's energy flow chart site

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
14. Thanks for that. I'd seen these charts before from Livermore, but didn't realize...
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:08 AM
Jan 2018

...that they now had a website that offered so many of them.

I bookmarked it.

It doesn't look like the grand solar revolution was making a dent in the dangerous natural gas on which the state depends, because it's free to dump dangerous fossil fuel directly into humanity's favorite waste dump, the planetary atmosphere.

progree

(10,904 posts)
15. Too bad they don't have a chart of new energy sources less retired.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jan 2018

Last edited Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:54 AM - Edit history (4)

I compared California 2010 to 2014 and found that

Solar and Wind went from 99 to 304 Trillion BTU (TBTU), a gain of 205, and from 1.36% to 4.31% of the total

Fossil fuel + Nuclear + Net electricity imports went from 6485 to 6192, a decline of 293 TBTU (162 of that decline was from nuclear)

Total energy consumption declined by 234 TBTU, from 7300 to 7059.

It looks like the starry-eyed hippies with their solar and wind and conservation / improved energy efficiency made a bit of a dent during this 4 year period.

On Edit: And about 2/3 of the fossil fuel + nuclear energy shown on the supply-side of the chart is thrown away as waste heat, either at the power plant, or in use in horribly inefficient gasoline engines. Whereas the supply-side solar and wind in the diagram is mostly the electric generation; and in usage, electric motors are far more efficient than gasoline engines.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
17. California has one nuclear power plant left, but the wind and solar crap have never...
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)

...not once, produced as much energy as nuclear energy once produced in a single year in California.

What is remarkable that in one building, on a very small plot of land by the sea, a nuclear plant can produce as much energy as all the wind plants in the State or all the solar plants in the state, although these have soaked up vast sums of money and land for no purpose other than to entrench the gas industry.

The starry eyed hippies haven't made much of a dent at all. The state is still a fossil fuel dependent hellhole, probably because California hippies - and I confess in a worse and dumber time in my life I was a California hippie - were smoking stuff bad for their brains.

When San Onofre and Diablo canyon were both operating, in the year 2000, from the data at the California energy commission website , nuclear power plants provided 43,530 gigawatt-hours of electricity to the state. At the time, in the percent talk that renewables advocates pollute the lexicon with, this was 17.6% of the States electricity, produced without a single loss of life.

Then fear and ignorance had its day.

As of 2016, the total for the wind bird grinders and solar future electronic waste, and that on the flying bird cooker at Ivanpah combined produced 33,286 gigawatt hours, while strewing their shit across vast stretches of formerly pristine habitat.

The hippies, as luck would have it, didn't give a shit about climate change gas free infrastructure, and in fact, were willing to malign it and have it destroyed for crap that has never been as clean, as safe and as reliable as the plants they fought to close, in defiance of common sense and a basic appreciation of rudimentary science.

This is somewhat incredible, given that at one time, the Chancellor of the California University system was the incomparable Nobel Laureate, adviser to Presidents, diplomat, and co-discoverer of more elements in the periodic table than any other single individual, who served as head of the Atomic Energy Commission during the period of 20 years when more than 70 nuclear power plants were built in this country.

That would be Glenn Seaborg.

Apparently the hippies whooshed him aside, to the detriment of all humanity. I wouldn't want my kids smoking what they've been smoking.

Frankly this ignorance, this trashing of the legacy of one of the greatest minds and spirits of the 20th century is a crime against all future generations.

Now, it happens that I love California, even if I think it's energy policy is pure idiocy, since unlike the California Energy Commission, I'm not going to write a paean to the fact that the state has 34 combined cycle gas plants representing 40% of the carbon dioxide gas dumping gas plants in the state.

Unlike drunk and/or stoned hippies I oppose all dangerous fossil fuel plants, and I deplore the kind of ignorance that entrenches them forever, which is exactly what the wind and solar trash does, this while, again, destroying vast stretches of habitat.

They're not wonderful if they're combined cycle plants or if they're the normal garbage.

Now I'm willing to apologize to all humanity for having been a California hippie - and frankly when I was one I actually believed that solar and wind were great things and could save the world. Subsequent to that unfortunate time in my life, I educated myself, and it's made all the difference in the world, and as it happened, I started that education in, um, California.

The hippies are wrecking the place. I'd wish they'd sober up, since there is a future to be saved, but I suspect the new pot law isn't going to improve things and they're just going to party as the Titanic goes down, and...at 408 ppm yesterday, the planetary ship is, in fact, sinking.

Have a nice day tomorrow.

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