Environment & Energy
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Mother Jones: Is our water really being diverted into the ocean? And are our firefighters complaining that they dont have enough water to tackle the wildfires in the north?
Peter Gleick: Thats completely absurd! There is no environmental law that has put any limits whatsoever on the amount of water available to fight these fires. Theres no shortage of water to fight these fires. Of course, its always extremely difficult to understand what Donald Trumps tweets mean or what he thinks hes saying or what he knows. California water policy is very complicated. There are many laws, policies, and historical practices that have determined where water goes, who gets to use it, and how much is left in our rivers.
Both of the presidents tweets reveal a profound misunderstanding of the way California water works. Its not that were diverting water into the Pacific Ocean. The tiny amount of water that reaches the Pacific Ocean these days is whats left after weve diverted the vast majority of our rivers to cities and farms. He just has this completely backward. And furthermore, theres no water policy that would have made these fires worse. We dont take water from the forest. The forest provides water to use, and water is allocated to farmers and to cities and a little bit to the fish. And whats left is in the rivers. And it flows down to our ecosystems. Theres just nothing in his tweet that makes any sense, except maybe the very last line.
MJ: Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading. What is he referring to there?
PG: I imagine hes throwing a bone to the lumber industry, which would like to do more cutting. There isnt any disagreement that California forest policyand forest policy in the United Statesshouldnt be better. Everybody agrees it should be better. Thats been true for decades. Whether a different forest policy and timber policy put in place decades ago would have changed the risk of forest fire, we dont really know. We do know we need to do a better job at managing forests. But I dont think that is what hes commenting on. Hes also completely ignoring the other reality, which is that years of severe drought have killed California forests and left a lot of fire material available. And climate change is causing extreme heat and extreme weather that is making these fires worse.
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https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/08/water-expert-peter-gleick-deconstructs-donald-trump-california-wildfire-tweets/
Danmel
(4,913 posts)Not one word of sympathy to the families of dead firefighters, or other victims of the fires. Not one word of sympathy or offer of assistance to people who have lost everything
Not one offer of federal assistance to fight the inferno.
He is a profoundly f'd up individual.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)They'd confabulate things just like Trump. Maybe it's not meth that he's on but Sniffles sure behaves like there's some great manic imbalance in his thinking. He's really fucked up.