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hatrack

(59,587 posts)
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 09:08 AM Nov 2023

Failure To Scale, Decades Of Flops: "Incredibly Dangerous" To Assume "Carbon Capture" Will Have Much Impact

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“That idea that we can build more fossil fuels but it’s ok because we can mitigate the emissions, or we’ll be able to pull carbon out of the air or out of the smokestacks, I think is incredibly dangerous,” Collin Rees, U.S. program manager at Oil Change International, said during a November 14 media briefing sponsored by a coalition called Gas Exports Today, which was convened by the Louisiana Bucket Brigade and held in advance of COP28.

In remarks delivered at the UN Climate Ambition Summit in September, COP28 president Sultan Al Jaber said that a “phase down,” not a “phase out,” of fossil fuels is what’s needed to combat climate change. He also referenced building “an energy system free of all unabated fossil fuels.” The term “unabated” has become a major reference in the climate diplomacy conversation in recent years, starting with COP26 in Glasgow where governments agreed to accelerate efforts “towards the phasedown of unabated coal power.” This language serves as a qualifier to suggest that fossil fuels can be rendered ‘clean’ through carbon capture and storage and engineered carbon dioxide removal, collectively termed “carbon management.” While these technologies may seem promising in theory, in practice they face substantial constraints and challenges. The two new reports further underscore these limitations.

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Carbon dioxide removal technologies, he added, “are very nascent.” Most existing direct air capture (DAC) operations are small-scale pilot projects. The world’s first commercial-scale DAC plant, called Orca and based in Iceland, has a capacity to capture up to 4,000 tons of CO2 per year – equivalent to the annual emissions of about 800 cars worldwide, or approximately three seconds worth of global CO2 emissions. Yet, significant government subsidies and investment are flowing into direct air capture, and plans to develop at least 130 DAC facilities are now underway. But according to a new briefing paper from the Center for International Environmental Law, even if all the planned DAC projects in the world get built and operate at full capacity, they would be capable of removing just 4.7 million metric tons of CO2 in 2030, equivalent to a mere 0.01 percent of current global energy sector emissions. Even assuming that DAC could eventually reach a massive scale, the enormous quantities of chemicals and energy inputs required to operate the machinery raises further feasibility and sustainability questions.

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Only a few dozen CCS facilities are currently operational at the global level, 14 of which are in the U.S., with a total capacity to capture and store 49 million metric tons of CO2, the report states. However, the total capacity is not the same as the amount actually captured and sequestered, as CCS facilities often do not operate at their maximum potential. When considering the additional energy required to power CCS operations, and given that the vast majority of existing projects use the captured CO2 to extract more oil and gas – a process called enhanced oil recovery – the net result is generally more, not less, greenhouse gas emissions. As far as CCS projects that are proposed or “in the pipeline” as the report calls it, that number is 392 as of July this year. But as Daniels noted in the Institute’s report launch event on November 9, most of the facilities in development would be aiming to begin operating starting in 2030, at the earliest. There are many hurdles, such as permitting and securing financing, that projects have to overcome before they start capturing any carbon molecules. The lag time between when projects are announced and when they become operational is typically around seven years or more, the report says, acknowledging that “relatively few [new CCS projects] have yet advanced to operation.”

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https://www.desmog.com/2023/11/17/carbon-capture-storage-cop28-al-jaber-global-ccs-institute-global-witness/

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Failure To Scale, Decades Of Flops: "Incredibly Dangerous" To Assume "Carbon Capture" Will Have Much Impact (Original Post) hatrack Nov 2023 OP
I think we have reached the mitigation stage exboyfil Nov 2023 #1
We'd better find a way to do it, not to perpetuate the use of dangerous fossil fuels... NNadir Nov 2023 #2

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
1. I think we have reached the mitigation stage
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 03:02 PM
Nov 2023

It won't stop until every economically mined/pumped amount of fossil fuel is extracted. Next up will be dangerous atmospheric particulate approaches which still won't address the heat sink problem.

NNadir

(33,528 posts)
2. We'd better find a way to do it, not to perpetuate the use of dangerous fossil fuels...
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 01:03 PM
Nov 2023

...but to clean up the filth from the past.

My view is that it is technically feasible, but it will require all of the energy that put it there as well as the energy involved in overcoming the entropy of mixing.

That it is possible is suggested by the observation of living systems, which do, albeit at a cost in surface area, engage in direct air capture, just as we understood flight was possible from birds and insects.

A jumbo jet looks very different than a hawk, and a Brayton plant will look different than a rose. If we stopped burning fossil fuels tomorrow, and we won't, we would still need to clean up the mess.

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