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NickB79

(19,253 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:53 PM Dec 2023

Feral Horses Shot by Helicopter in Plans To Cull 14,000 (Australia)

https://www.newsweek.com/feral-horses-brumbies-shot-helicopter-invasive-species-1850073

These horses are considered an invasive species in Australia, numbering up to 400,000 across the whole country. They descend from horses brought over by European settlers. They pose a threat to local ecological systems due to their grazing and trampling of the ground and native plant species, particularly in the Australian Alps, according to the Invasive Species Council, which aims to "seek stronger laws, policies and programs to protect nature from harmful pests, weeds and diseases."


Good. I can see the point that horse preservationists make to leave horses alone in the western US (provided we reintroduce predators like wolves), since they were native 20,000 yr ago, but there is no reason to let them roam Australia.
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Feral Horses Shot by Helicopter in Plans To Cull 14,000 (Australia) (Original Post) NickB79 Dec 2023 OP
Bullets are not a kind way to do it. multigraincracker Dec 2023 #1
A shot requires they be captured first NickB79 Dec 2023 #3
Bullshit Bayard Dec 2023 #2
We've discussed Western US horse populations NickB79 Dec 2023 #4
agree. this is not the same argument (or ecolological system, past or present) stopdiggin Dec 2023 #6
the horse is native to North America stopdiggin Dec 2023 #5

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
3. A shot requires they be captured first
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:49 PM
Dec 2023

Beyond the cost to capture 14,000 horses, the stress alone is cruel and potentially lethal in itself.

Requiring capture and chemical euthanasia would guarantee not nearly enough horses are removed to protect the ecosystem, which is then cruel to the native Australian species they're pushing to extinction.

A bullet is quick enough.

Bayard

(22,105 posts)
2. Bullshit
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:46 PM
Dec 2023

"a threat to local ecological systems due to their grazing and trampling of the ground and native plant species," What do you think your sheep are doing?

Sounds like the machinations of big cattle ranchers in the American west who promote the same lies.

I've posted articles on the subject a number of times previously.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
4. We've discussed Western US horse populations
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:52 PM
Dec 2023

I even acknowledged that in my OP, thinking of you and those previous interactions.

This is Australia. These horses are utterly alien to these ecosystems, and are now encroaching on protected areas that have been kept free of sheep and cattle.

There is absolutely no reason to protect these horses other than an appeal to emotion. Tell me one ecological reason to keep these horses in an ecosystem that has never seen hooved placental mammals before.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
6. agree. this is not the same argument (or ecolological system, past or present)
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:39 PM
Dec 2023

as wild horse populations in the western U.S. The two should not be conflated.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
5. the horse is native to North America
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:15 PM
Dec 2023

in a somewhat 'academic' sense. The horse species that resided here died out 10-12 thousand years ago - along with the disappearance of most other mega-fauna. The modern horse is clearly a reintroduction - and not quite the same species as those that came before. The argument that anything that was here between 10-15 thousand years ago would have to also allow for giant varieties of bears, sloths, wolves, mammoths and sabertooth cats (among others). And, just to be argumentative - would also have to advocate the removal of most variety of domestic animals, with strong emphasis on all dogs (virtually all European) and every breed of domestic cat - and to get down to the real nitty gritty, homo sapiens, (by far the most 'invasive' and ecologically destructive interloper of the bunch).

We obviously are not going back to 'the way things were' (short of another extinction event - in which case it will no longer be our problem to solve) - so (to my mind) that means we are stuck with our feeble, and sometimes shortsighted and errant, efforts at management. To that end - while nobody is a particular fan of 'culling' events - one has to concede that they are generally the better alternative over ecological devastation, starvation and disease.

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