Environment & Energy
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(21,088 posts)Maybe not...
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/08/04/640391/must-read-hansen-climate-change-is-here-and-worse-than-we-thought/
Given that we are seeing at 0.8˚C the changes originally projected for +2˚, what will the changes associated with +1.8˚ be like? Something like what we're projecting for 3-4˚?
According to Mark Lynas:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/apr/23/scienceandnature.climatechange
With extreme weather continuing to bite - hurricanes may increase in power by half a category above today's top-level Category Five - world food supplies will be critically endangered. This could mean hundreds of millions - or even billions - of refugees moving out from areas of famine and drought in the sub-tropics towards the mid-latitudes. In Pakistan, for example, food supplies will crash as the waters of the Indus decline to a trickle because of the melting of the Karakoram glaciers that form the river's source. Conflicts may erupt with neighbouring India over water use from dams on Indus tributaries that cross the border.
At four degrees another tipping point is almost certain to be crossed; indeed, it could happen much earlier. (This reinforces the determination of many environmental groups, and indeed the entire EU, to bring us in within the two degrees target.) This moment comes as the hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon locked up in Arctic permafrost - particularly in Siberia - enter the melt zone, releasing globally warming methane and carbon dioxide in immense quantities. No one knows how rapidly this might happen, or what its effect might be on global temperatures, but this scientific uncertainty is surely cause for concern and not complacency. The whole Arctic Ocean ice cap will also disappear, leaving the North Pole as open water for the first time in at least three million years. Extinction for polar bears and other ice-dependent species will now be a certainty.
If we end up with these kinds of changes within 30 years, God help us all. And if we end up with +3˚, not even God Herself will be able to help.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...so the upward trend continues....
Not good.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)The official ppm totals are based on global averages.
Not to worry, though - we'll get to the "official" 400 ppm either next year or by 2013 at the outside. My money's on next year.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...rather than an anomaly though...I agree with you though, next year will most likely be the year we hit 400 globally..
NickB79
(19,253 posts)She's two now, and I love her with all my heart and soul, but it brings me to tears thinking of what kind of future I'll be giving her.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)If our species is facing an evolutionary selection event, she's probably very well positioned to pass some great wisdom-oriented genetics on down the line. I've caught myself thinking more than once that maybe we need more people, not fewer, so that whatever comes next, genetically speaking, will have the best chance of actualizing. I know it's cold comfort to have to take such a long view.
emmadoggy
(2,142 posts)My stomach churns at the thought of what their future holds.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What are we gonna do?
Should we get on an airplane and fly to China and Africa and India and tell those people that they need to change the way they live so that we, here in the jet-set America's, can keep our heads above water for a while longer as we 5%ers burn 25% of the fossil fuels?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Let's face the facts, Bob, China shares much of the blame for our climate woes, as corrupt industry heads keep shitting out factories at the expense of the environment, and over a billion civilians who'd rather have clean water and food than a crappy job at these slave-driver establishments that make them work 12 hours a day for small pittance, which, btw, is the same thing the GOP is going to want........