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BootinUp

(47,210 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:43 AM Sep 2022

Russian officers killed in Ukraine

Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings |
@ChuckPfarrer

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report on the number of RU officers killed in Putin’s Ukraine War. It takes years to effectively train even junior and company grade officers, and decades to train senior officers. These losses directly reduce RU combat efficiency.


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paleotn

(18,007 posts)
1. When he was a young KGB operator in East Germany.....
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:52 AM
Sep 2022

he wasn't on the fast track by any means due mainly to his superior's worry that he took too many unnecessary, ill conceived risks. Or so the stories go. If true, he hasn't changed a bit.

mitch96

(13,941 posts)
5. The other fact is Russian Doctrine. Troops or lower echelon officers get a command from up top
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

They complete the task and stop when they succeed and then wait more orders.
The Ukrainian army allows more lower ranked officers and NCO's to make decisions in the field like NATO troops do. This compresses the time factor when things are critical.
UKR act where the RU armys move and wait.
With so many officers killed I would expect "getting the job done" would now take longer.
YMMV
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Irish_Dem

(47,775 posts)
6. This is one of the factors that led to Allied victory in WWII.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:00 PM
Sep 2022

American junior officers and NCO's in the field had leeway and authority to decide how to fulfill a mission.

American generals figured the guys in the middle of combat were more aware of immediate and changing circumstances than the top brass.

Japan and Germany were very rigid with decisions made at the top only. The generals were the only ones who knew anything. And didn't listen to lower ranks.

mitch96

(13,941 posts)
7. It worked back then and it works today till something better comes along.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 11:46 PM
Sep 2022

If it ain't broke...don't fix it!!
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Irish_Dem

(47,775 posts)
8. Yes but there is a catch.
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 07:01 AM
Sep 2022

If you are going to give military out in the field that kind of authority, they need to understand the mission.
And they need to be well trained, sober, and motivated.

Also they should have some sense of right and wrong, so they are completing the mission, not stopping to conduct a crime spree as they go.

That may have worked for the Vikings but I don't think it is a successful strategy for the 21st century. Instead of terrorizing the Ukrainan population, it is only hardening their resolve and turning the world against Russia more with each passing day.

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