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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,950 posts)
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 09:09 PM Sep 2022

Zelenskyy makes three promises to Russian soldiers who surrender

Last edited Sun Sep 25, 2022, 12:29 PM - Edit history (1)

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Ukraine guarantees captured Russian soldiers civilised treatment, confidentiality with regard to the circumstances of their surrender, and the opportunity not to return to Russia.

Quote: "Ukraine guarantees every Russian soldier who surrenders three things:
you will be treated in a civilised manner, in accordance with all conventions;
no one will know the circumstances of your surrender, no one in Russia will know that your surrender was voluntary;
if you are afraid to return to Russia and do not want an exchange, we will find a way to ensure this as well."

He emphasised that Russian commanders do not care about the lives of Russians - they just need to fill the empty spaces left by the dead, wounded, those who fled or those who were captured. And those spaces can be filled with "either young IT specialists who have not served [in the army] at all, or pensioners who served only in the Soviet army.

So, now is the key moment for all of you: right now it is being decided whether your life will end or not. It is better not to take a conscription letter than to die in a foreign land as a war criminal. It is better to run away from criminal mobilisation than to be crippled and then bear responsibility in the court for participating in the war of aggression. It is better to surrender to Ukrainian captivity than to be killed by the strikes of our weapons, absolutely fair strikes, as Ukraine defends itself in this war," the president emphasised.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-makes-three-promises-russian-191113583.html

Zelenskyy urges Russian conscripts to 'sabotage' military operations and offers protections to those who surrender: 'It is better to surrender to Ukrainian captivity than to be killed by the strikes of our weapons'

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is moving to overtake Russia from the inside out.

Russia's seven-month effort to conquer its neighbor, Ukraine, has recently been marked by a partial military mobilization, the country's first since World War II, NBC News reported.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's mobilization effort impacts 300,000 reservists — many of whom are going to great lengths to avoid being drafted. Some have even headed to the border, despite facing up to 10 years in prison for desertion.

In a video address late on Friday Ukraine time, Zelenskyy said he seeks to "sabotage" Russia's unprovoked efforts to conquer the country.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-urges-russian-conscripts-to-sabotage-military-operations-and-offers-protections-to-those-who-surrender-it-is-better-to-surrender-to-ukrainian-captivity-than-to-be-killed-by-the-strikes-of-our-weapons/ar-AA12dd9Z

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Zelenskyy makes three promises to Russian soldiers who surrender (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 OP
If Putin is resorting to IT specialists and pensioners IronLionZion Sep 2022 #1
USA's businesses in Russia are by law signed by Putin....... Lovie777 Sep 2022 #2
I think a pamphlet dump over the russian lines is in order..nt mitch96 Sep 2022 #3
USA's businesses in Russia are by law signed by Putin....... Lovie777 Sep 2022 #4
It's been ugly from the Russian side since day one. rubbersole Sep 2022 #5
Russia would be doing great if not for their kleptocratic dictatorship. SunSeeker Sep 2022 #14
"...pensioners who served only in the Soviet army." Wednesdays Sep 2022 #6
I continue to be impressed by Zelenskyy. Qutzupalotl Sep 2022 #7
IF the Russian people even ever hear, or even read his offer. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2022 #20
Retreat... soldier to soldier describing how Russians support/treat their soldiers. keithbvadu2 Sep 2022 #8
omg.. this is what Humanitarians Cha Sep 2022 #9
He, like President Biden is the right person for this moment in history. PortTack Sep 2022 #10
Smart move by Zelensky. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #11
What he's not going to torture them? Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #12
Smart. nt SunSeeker Sep 2022 #13
Anyone in russia with even a little bit of knowledge about what Putin is doing SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #15
Funny how history repeats itself cannabis_flower Sep 2022 #16
Very smart move. Martin68 Sep 2022 #17
Throwing untrained "soldiers" into the meat grinder ain't gonna make Putin more popular. patphil Sep 2022 #18
The timing and optics on this are absolutely perfect. KentuckyWoman Sep 2022 #19
Very good statement and timing. Compassion for your enemy and adhering to conventions. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #21
A brilliant way to get a hell of a lot of brainpower into Ukraine Rabrrrrrr Sep 2022 #22

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
1. If Putin is resorting to IT specialists and pensioners
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 09:33 PM
Sep 2022

then the end is near. I can see mass desertions and surrenders happening.

rubbersole

(6,688 posts)
5. It's been ugly from the Russian side since day one.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 09:55 PM
Sep 2022

Desperation from a nuclear power is the worst part for Europe and the rest of the world. The desperation sure appears to be getting more intense daily. Russians are fleeing in droves. Sanctions are hurting everyone in all income levels...why, what could go wrong?

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
14. Russia would be doing great if not for their kleptocratic dictatorship.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:49 PM
Sep 2022

If they had stayed on the path to democracy, so that the Russian people share in the wealth of the country's resources through equal opportunity and the rule of law, they would have a thriving economy and peace. It is really sad for the Russian people.

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
6. "...pensioners who served only in the Soviet army."
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 10:31 PM
Sep 2022

Jesus, the Soviet Union dissolved 31 years ago. So those pensioners would have to be at LEAST 48 years old!

Qutzupalotl

(14,305 posts)
7. I continue to be impressed by Zelenskyy.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 10:43 PM
Sep 2022

He's playing this exactly right. I think there will be a lot of surrendering.

keithbvadu2

(36,785 posts)
8. Retreat... soldier to soldier describing how Russians support/treat their soldiers.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 11:49 PM
Sep 2022

Retreat... soldier to soldier describing how Russians support/treat their soldiers.

Lots of swearing.

PortTack

(32,762 posts)
10. He, like President Biden is the right person for this moment in history.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 12:55 AM
Sep 2022

He loves his country, dedicated, unwilling to shrink from his duty regardless the risk to his own safety..among many other great qualities.

Be safe President Zelensky..Slava Ukraine!

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
11. Smart move by Zelensky.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:18 PM
Sep 2022

He knows that many of these new recruits don’t want to be fighting. This gives them an east out, assuming they can take out the commanders who could rat them out for surrendering.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
12. What he's not going to torture them?
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:37 PM
Sep 2022


I mean isn't that what the GOPers like W and Cheney basically did to Muslim who surrendered in Iraq? Who knew torture is not a good way to get the enemy to surrender? Well, besides those bleeding heart liberals.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
15. Anyone in russia with even a little bit of knowledge about what Putin is doing
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:16 PM
Sep 2022

would not want to do for his cause.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
16. Funny how history repeats itself
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:40 PM
Sep 2022

Putin’s hubris in Ukraine recalls Russia’s disastrous war with Japan


Vladimir Putin has taken to comparing himself to some of his czarist predecessors, invoking their military triumphs. In June, he praised Peter the Great for “taking back and reinforcing” territory in the Baltics in the Great Northern War in the 18th century.
But as Putin’s effort to conquer parts of Ukraine slogs into its sixth month, some historians feel he more closely resembles Nicholas II, whose 1904-1905 war against Japan was an unmitigated disaster.

The parallels between the two conflicts are undeniable. Just as Nicholas underestimated his Japanese adversary, so did Putin, who was convinced that his invasion of Ukraine would be a walkover.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/08/01/putin-ukraine-nicholas-russo-japanese/

patphil

(6,172 posts)
18. Throwing untrained "soldiers" into the meat grinder ain't gonna make Putin more popular.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 03:40 PM
Sep 2022

I suspect a large percentage of them won't fight once they get to Ukraine.
Zelensky'is wise to offer them an out.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
19. The timing and optics on this are absolutely perfect.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 04:06 PM
Sep 2022

Everything about this statement is morally and diplomatically perfect.
The man amazes me.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
22. A brilliant way to get a hell of a lot of brainpower into Ukraine
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 08:31 PM
Sep 2022

and put them on the path to being a superpower.

"Hey, Russia - you want to send all your engineers and techies here as untrained soldiers? Thanks! We'll take 'em!"

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