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shira

(30,109 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:35 PM Jun 2015

The Insidious Marketing of the BDS Campaign

...People who know the facts struggle to understand how the public at large (both Jews and non-Jews), and supposedly educated college students in particular, can so easily embrace BDS’ fabrications, distortions, and outright lies.

The answer is simple: marketing.

The BDS movement took its marketing idea directly from the most infamously successful marketing campaign ever: Hitler’s Master Race concept. What was Herr Goebbels’ marketing strategy? “Tell a lie big enough and often enough, and people will begin to believe it.” That, along with P.T. Barnum’s “There’s a sucker born every minute,” is the complete foundation of the BDS movement.

BDS successfully uses four tactics while meshing all seamlessly and insidiously:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/06/03/the-insidious-marketing-of-the-bds-campaign/

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The Insidious Marketing of the BDS Campaign (Original Post) shira Jun 2015 OP
cont'd shira Jun 2015 #1
Don’t believe the Guardian. BDS is neither progressive nor non-violent shira Jun 2015 #2
Do you believe that Israel has the right to use violence shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #11
Israel has the right to defend its citizens from terror. shira Jun 2015 #12
Only from terror? shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #17
You mentioned "right to violence" which I defined as self-defense from terror... shira Jun 2015 #19
Are you trying to get your OP removed? Little Tich Jun 2015 #3
How is this article borderline fascist propaganda? shira Jun 2015 #4
Because there is nothing immoral or illegal about advocating boycotts shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #10
The Nazi boycott of Jews was immoral. The Arab boycott of Israel.... shira Jun 2015 #13
No shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #18
Say what? shira Jun 2015 #20
Shocking, I know... shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #26
Shlaim and Fisk are nothing but propagandists. n/t shira Jun 2015 #27
Spoken like a true apologist shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #28
Robert Fisk reported that Israel used Uranium bombs in Lebanon. shira Jun 2015 #29
Nothing "borderline" about it Scootaloo Jun 2015 #5
Explain how it's fascist propaganda. We know BDS is fascist but... shira Jun 2015 #6
"the ideology expressed therein is the very antithesis of the values of the Democratic Party." oberliner Jun 2015 #7
+1 King_David Jun 2015 #8
The article in the OP is just an empty vessel, written from a formula, Little Tich Jun 2015 #9
In post #2, BDS's very own Omar Barghouti supports violence (terror).... shira Jun 2015 #14
Please provide some examples. Little Tich Jun 2015 #15
I just did in #2. Omar Barghouti of BDS says he supports armed resistance.... shira Jun 2015 #16
Your argument is only supported by your own assertions and nothing else. Little Tich Jun 2015 #21
Hold on, back up. Can we agree Hamas is a hate organization.... shira Jun 2015 #22
I'd rather stick to the subject of the OP as an example of hate propaganda. Little Tich Jun 2015 #23
Fine, so it's hate propaganda to point out how leaders of BDS support Hamas.... shira Jun 2015 #24
I think our arguments have gone full circle, and that there's nothing more add. Little Tich Jun 2015 #25
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
1. cont'd
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jun 2015
1. Obfuscating its ultimate goal

The world at large, and specifically most BDS supporters, believe that BDS seeks a two-state solution where a new country of Palestine will sit peacefully next to Israel. This is false. BDS’ written and stated goal is a “single state” of Palestine that includes present day Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. Furthermore, by virtue of BDS’ several demands, Israel would no longer be a Jewish state, but rather would become – as BDS co-founder Omar Barghouti has publicly stated – “…a Palestinian state next to a Palestinian state.”

2. Leveling unadulterated lies against and about Israel

In a propaganda video (produced by Students for Justice in Palestine) to convince students to vote to divest from Israel, a female student from Loyola University Chicago states: “As an Ethiopian, I do not want the university that I attend to support a government that mistreats African immigrants seeking asylum and sterilizes 50% of the Ethiopian women upon entrance to Israel.”

Although this student most likely believes that her statement is true, her massive ignorance does not mitigate the irreparable harm that she causes. Even though this type of exaggerated lie is no different than BDS’ garden variety lies, there is no legal deterrent to stop them. A person or organization cannot be sued for committing slander or libel against a people, race, religion, or country, no matter how blatantly offensive it is.

Through the dissemination of lies, such as the mass sterilization of innocent women of color, BDS achieves several goals:

Equates Israelis and Jews to Nazis
Promotes Israel as a racist country
Strengthens BDS’ ties with minority and progressive groups
Places Israel on the defensive
Legitimizes armed resistance (violence) against Israelis and Jews
Wins over the uninformed masses
Drives a wedge between the U.S. and Israel

The only recourse to lies is education. Unfortunately, by the time their lies are promoted and embraced globally, it is often too late to overcome.

3. Rewriting history while creating a new narrative

BDS actively markets the Palestinian Authority’s ongoing rewriting of history: both denying Jewish historic and modern day claims to Israel, while creating a new thousand year Palestinian history.

In BDS’ history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, there are no wars caused by the Arabs (if wars are mentioned at all), no Palestinian terrorism, no missiles against Israel, and certainly no violence against Jews.There is only the reporting of Arab deaths caused by Israel. Look no further than the United Auto Workers Local 2865 website. They voted to divest from Israel based on, among other things, listing the deaths of Arabs killed in Gaza by Israel with no mention of the Palestinian terrorist tunnels, kidnappings, murders, and missiles fired into Israel.

4. Deflecting from true human rights violators

Throughout the Arab world (including in the West Bank and Gaza), some Muslims commit human rights violations of the worst kind (including against their own people). Yet, in a twist of unparalleled marketing, BDS succeeds in getting many college students to believe that Israel – a country with total gender, racial, sexual orientation, and religious equality – is the single greatest human rights violator globally.

BDS’ deflection of human rights abuses away from the Arab-Muslim world and onto Israel further removes the Arab world’s responsibility for failing to correct the West Bank and Gaza Arabs’ situation since 1948. Where the Arab world’s money and influence could have established a culture of peaceful coexistence with a willing Israel, for political reasons, it purposely fostered an environment of hatred and violence....

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/06/03/the-insidious-marketing-of-the-bds-campaign/
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. Don’t believe the Guardian. BDS is neither progressive nor non-violent
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jun 2015

...First, leaders of the BDS Movement such as Barghouti, a student at Tel Aviv University and founding member of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), contrary to Beaumont’s claim, have indeed advocated for violence.

Here are two quotes:

“(Palestinians have a right to) resistance by any means, including armed resistance. (Jews) aren’t indigenous just because you say you are….(Jews) are not a people…the UN’s principle of the right to self-determination applies only to colonized people who want to acquire their rights. ”

Omar Barghouti
——————————————————————————————-

“International law does give people under occupation the right to resist in any way, including armed resistance.” Omar Barghouti (4:08)


“A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically….Definitely, most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian, rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian, will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.” – Omar Barghouti [5:50]
https://vimeo.com/75201955


http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/04/dont-believe-the-guardian-bds-is-neither-progressive-nor-non-violent/

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
11. Do you believe that Israel has the right to use violence
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:39 AM
Jun 2015

and if so, how does that make you any different to him?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. Israel has the right to defend its citizens from terror.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:34 AM
Jun 2015

I'd say Hamas has this right, but their motivation isn't to defend. It's to kill as many people as possible, as well as putting their own children in harm's way for PR purposes. Besides, Israel doesn't attack in order to murder people for no good reason.

If you defend Hamas' right to defend themselves, provide a couple examples of this "legitimate" defense.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
17. Only from terror?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself against conventional military attacks? Who knew...

What about Jewish resistance against the British occupation? Do you think Jews had the right of resistance in that respect?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. You mentioned "right to violence" which I defined as self-defense from terror...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't say Israel can only protect itself from terror w/o doing so against conventional military attacks.

What about Jewish resistance against the British occupation? Do you think Jews had the right of resistance in that respect?


Besides a few exceptions, the Jews went after British military targets. The intent wasn't to murder innocents, children, soft targets...

Do you believe Hamas has the right to fire rockets at towns & cities, send suicide bombers into buses & restaurants, or murder school children? Do you really see that as resistance to occupation, because I can't help but see it as a realization of their charter - to kill Jews everywhere.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
3. Are you trying to get your OP removed?
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

The article from the Algemeiner is borderline fascist propaganda. I guess it's possible to use it as an example of what fascism looks like in the 21st century. Beyond that, I sincerely hope that nobody on this forum agrees with the OP, as the ideology expressed therein is the very antithesis of the values of the Democratic Party.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. How is this article borderline fascist propaganda?
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

And how is the content within the article the antithesis of the values of the Democratic Party?

Please be clear on both.

Thanks.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
10. Because there is nothing immoral or illegal about advocating boycotts
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

There is no difference between people who avoid Israeli products because they don't like what Israelis do to the Palestinians, and the Jews who used to avoid buying German made products because of Germany's historic responsibility for the holocaust, or the people who used to boycott French products because of French nuclear testing in the pacific. Et cetera.

It is perfectly legal for people to boycott products because of any such reason and to encourage others to do the same.

All the hysteria to the contrary is simply that.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. The Nazi boycott of Jews was immoral. The Arab boycott of Israel....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:38 AM
Jun 2015

....before 1967 was just as immoral & unjust.

Do you not agree?

It's all about the motivation of BDS, and we both know full well that their goal is the elimination of the Jewish state. Politicide. That's not non-violent. The aim isn't for peace. It's a pro-war movement according to the demands of BDS, and it's beyond disingenuous to deny this.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
18. No
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jun 2015

Israel, before 1967, summarily executed hundreds of Palestinians who attempted to return to their lands. It stole 70% of present day Israel from Arabs pursuant to the absentee property laws. Until 1966, it also kept almost its entire Arab population under military administration.

It's all about the motivation of BDS, and we both know full well that their goal is the elimination of the Jewish state. Politicide. That's not non-violent.


Well, they are seeking the end of Israel as an exclusively Jewish state through political, non-military means (essentially through diplomatic and economic pressure). If it did happen, I imagine that some people, probably Jews for the most part, would react to that violently - but it would be a bit of a reach to blame BDS for Jewish violence wouldn't it?

After all, I can't see you holding Jews responsible for Arab violence.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
20. Say what?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:44 PM
Jun 2015
Israel, before 1967, summarily executed hundreds of Palestinians who attempted to return to their lands. It stole 70% of present day Israel from Arabs pursuant to the absentee property laws.


From what source did you learn this schlock?

Well, they are seeking the end of Israel as an exclusively Jewish state through political, non-military means (essentially through diplomatic and economic pressure).


1. Israel isn't an exclusively Jewish state. You must have them confused with the PA & Hamas who call for a Jew-free Palestine.

2. Ending Israel as a Jewish state cannot happen by being boycotted or bullied politically. 2000 years of being easy targets for massacres and pogroms ended in 1948. Jews aren't going to just agree to go back to that way of life again. And can you really blame them?

If it did happen, I imagine that some people, probably Jews for the most part, would react to that violently - but it would be a bit of a reach to blame BDS for Jewish violence wouldn't it?


It's not possible to change Israel into a state that's not Jewish. Look at the situation now in France for Jews. It would be far worse in Israel for Jews in a binational state or within a majority Arab state. Other than Switzerland, binational states don't work. See Lebanon for example - and it would be worse than that. Not to mention Jews haven't fared well as a minority in Arab nations the past 14 centuries. How can Israel be turned into a secular (non-Jewish) state w/o being conquered militarily? It's not the Jews who will resort to violence. The Jewish state will self-defend from being conquered. Being conquered is the only way Jewish sovereignty will end. Fat chance of that happening...


shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
26. Shocking, I know...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jun 2015
From what source did you learn this schlock?


For the killings of returning refugees:-

Faced with trigger-happy Israeli soldiers, infiltrators started coming in organized bands and to respond in kind. Altogether between 2,700 and 5,000 infiltrators were killed in the period 1949-1956, the great majority of whom were unarmed.


http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/Israels%20Dirty%20War.html

Examples of killings of refugees, from Benny Morris, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem":-

During the Second Truce, IDF outposts and patrols regularly harassed
harvesters between front line positions, behind the lines and in no man’s
land, to a depth of 500–600 metres – though the phenomenon was not
as widespread as during the First Truce, when the harvest had been
at its height. The policy often involved destroying structures used by
harvesters for storage or sleep.

In the north, in early August an IDF intelligence officer recommended
mining a path near Kafr Misr and ‘destroying’ the lean-tos of the Sabarja
tribe used by infiltrators trying to gather ‘a little wheat or sorghum’ from
Kafr Misr’s (and neighbouring (Jewish) Moledet’s) fields.200 A few days
later the Jezreel Battalion (Golani) reported that one of its patrols had
encountered ‘groups of Arab women working fields’ near the abandoned
village of al Mujeidil: ‘I (squad OC Shalom Lipman) ordered the machinegun
to fire three bursts over their heads, to drive them off. They fled in
the direction of the olive grove . . .’ But after the patrol left, the Arabs
returned. The patrol came back and encountered ‘a group of Arab men
and women . . . I opened fire at them and as a result one Arab man died
and one Arab man and one woman were injured. In the two incidents, I
expended altogether 31 bullets.’ The following day, 6 August, the same
patrol encountered two Arab funeral processions. The commander remarked
dryly that ‘one can assume that one of yesterday’s wounded
died’. A day or two later, the patrol again encountered ‘a large group
of Arab women in the fields of Mujeidil. When we approached them to
drive them off, an Arab male (was found) hiding near them, (and) he was
executed by us. The women were warned not to return to this area of
Mujeidil.’ The company commander’s comment, appended to the squad
OC’s report, was: ‘Arab women repeatedly attempt to return to Mujeidil,
and they are usually accompanied by men. I gave firm orders to stymie
every attempt (lehasel kol nisayon) to return to the area of the village
of Mujeidil and to act with determination.’201 On 2 August, an ambush
set by ‘C’ Company, 13th Battalion, near Saffuriya, encountered a group
of Arabs – possibly intent on harvesting – and opened fire, killing ‘four
women and three men’.202

Another execution was reported a fortnight later by a patrol in the
Negev. The force, probably belonging to the Negev Brigade, mined paths
east and south of the Rkaik Bridge near Kibbutz Mishmar Hanegev. An
Arab caravan with camels appeared on the scene. ‘We opened fire at
close quarters. Some of the camels were killed and the Arabs, exploiting
the darkness, fled.’ Later, the patrol ambushed two more caravans,
killing additional camels – altogether killing some 20 camels. All the
caravans were carrying wheat and barley. The patrol took prisoner ‘an
Arab suspect. He couldn’t explain what he was doing in the area. He
claimed to come from Nablus. (He) was executed because there was
no possibility of transferring him to base.’203 Some miles to the north,
Giv‘ati’s 52nd Battalion reported sending out a patrol to the fields of the
abandoned villages of Sawafir, Jaladiya and Beit ‘Affa, where ‘a large
number of Arabs were seen reaping . . . Most . . . were women and old
men.’ The patrol killed eight Arabs and detained three – two men and a
child – ‘who were taken for questioning’.20


Regarding the theft of land and absentee property laws:-

How much of Israel's territory consists of land confiscated with the Absentee Property Law is uncertain and much disputed. Robert Fisk interviewed the Israeli Custodian of Absentee Property, who estimates this could amount to up to 70% of the territory of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip:

The Custodian of Absentee Property does not choose to discuss politics. But when asked how much of the land of the state of Israel might potentially have two claimants — an Arab and a Jew holding respectively a British Mandate and an Israeli deed to the same property — Mr. Manor [the Custodian in 1980] believes that 'about 70 percent' might fall into that category (Robert Fisk, 'The Land of Palestine, Part Eight: The Custodian of Absentee Property', The Times, December 24, 1980, quoted in his book Pity the Nation: Lebanon at War).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws#The_.27Absentees_Property_Law.27

Israel isn't an exclusively Jewish state.


So you're saying that it is a Jewish and Arab state? A binational state, in other words?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. Robert Fisk reported that Israel used Uranium bombs in Lebanon.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:31 PM - Edit history (2)

Trusty source, right?



Meanwhile, the link below show Benny Morris ripping Avi Shlaim a new one; destroying Shlaim's idiotic propaganda....
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/derisionist-history?page=0,0

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Explain how it's fascist propaganda. We know BDS is fascist but...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jun 2015

...how is it fascist to point that out?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. "the ideology expressed therein is the very antithesis of the values of the Democratic Party."
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jun 2015

Literally everything found on Mondoweiss would fit that description. Along with several other sources that seem to be posted with some frequency here.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. The article in the OP is just an empty vessel, written from a formula,
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:15 AM
Jun 2015

and the goal is to promote hatred. The target and the arguments were chosen before the subject, as the subject is unimportant.

I've read enough neo-fascist hate propaganda on the interwebs to say that that's what this is - hate propaganda. I have little interest in deconstructing the article, but the tone of the article - the hateful "know it all" angle is a dead giveaway - it's used to connect a group to negative properties, adn if repeated often enough it becomes "true". Another giveaway is the generous use of negative descriptions, and the total absence of neutral descriptions.

I sincerely doubt you could find something even remotely like this at Mondoweiss. It's entirely possible that you could find similar hate propaganda at EI, or anywhere else where the message is hatred. If you would find something like this at Mondoweiss, it would mean that Mondoweiss promotes hatred, and that's something which I am strongly against.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. In post #2, BDS's very own Omar Barghouti supports violence (terror)....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:45 AM
Jun 2015

EI's Ali Abunimah does too, and they're the most popular voices for BDS. What do you think about that?



Mondoweiss supports Hamas "resistance" in the form of terror as well. We all know Hamas' goal is to kill all Jews. If it's not pro-fascist hatred to support Hamas' goals, then what is?

If you're strongly against hatred and fascism, then how do you let Barghouti, BDS, and Mondoweiss off the hook? How could you possibly support all this?

Where am I wrong?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
15. Please provide some examples.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jun 2015

I can provide an example here from DU, an article that's similar to the OP in the sense that it's promoting hatred, in this case anti-Semitism. It could be argued that there's no formula in the article, but the target for the hate was obviously selected before the subject, which is the point (for me) anyway:

The Nakba: Israel’s Catastrophe (may 13, 2015, by Vacy Vlazna)
Read more: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134103540

I'm not very familiar with Ali Abunimah Omar Barghouti et al, but if you actually find something hateful of theirs, I don't mind knowing about it.

As for that other thread, I don't want to have reply #436 in that thread, so, no thanks...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. I just did in #2. Omar Barghouti of BDS says he supports armed resistance....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jun 2015

Anyone supporting Hamas terror attacks that target Jews - when Hamas has made it clear they intentionally try to kill Jews worldwide - is a Jew hater.

What's not clear about that?

He also advocates for the end of the Jewish state of Israel - something President Obama identifies as antisemitic.

Where am I wrong?

==========================

I'd go on with Ali Abunimah, Mondoweiss, etc... but let's first see where you stand on Omar Barghouti.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
21. Your argument is only supported by your own assertions and nothing else.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

The OP and the example I provided are good examples of what hate propaganda looks like. My initial argument still stands - The OP is hate propaganda.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. Hold on, back up. Can we agree Hamas is a hate organization....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jun 2015

...dedicated to killing Jews worldwide? It's in the Hamas Charter as plain as day.

Your answer should be Yes.

Now, how is it not hateful to support Hamas terror attacks and violence against the Jews of Israel, as Barghouti does? It's not my assertion. Barghouti makes it clear he supports terror and violence against Jews.

What other way is there to see it?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
23. I'd rather stick to the subject of the OP as an example of hate propaganda.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jun 2015

What do you think of my classifying the OP as such?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
24. Fine, so it's hate propaganda to point out how leaders of BDS support Hamas....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jun 2015

....violence against Jews? It's hate propaganda to reveal the BDS goal of eliminating the Jewish state?

President Obama says that wanting the Jewish state gone (thereby endangering the Jewish people) is antisemitism.

I don't see how you can claim the OP is hate speech. Can you point to particular parts of the article that are hateful?

===========

Meanwhile, here's Mondoweiss on Jews:

Weiss suggested...

(a) that Jews are more inclined to cheat than are non-Jews, and indeed Jews don’t even recognize it as cheating;

(b) that the American non-Jewish establishment made some sort of deal with the Jews back in the 70s, in which Jews provided their economic prowess to the U.S. in exchange for support for the Israel lobby (indeed, that one is so ridiculous that my fingers rebelled at typing it);

(c) Jewish media company CEOs force their Gentile employees to express support for Israel and

(d) that Jews need to “understand our role” in causing the Holocaust because of the “power” we had. Weiss now elaborates that he’s talking about Jewish economic power, as if the German Jew who started as a peddler and built his business into a chain of department stores wasn’t simply an individual Jewish businessman who found success, but instead part of a cabal of Jews using their “power” to undermine the Gentiles, who retaliated via the Holocaust.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/04/mondoweiss-is-a-hate-site/

Can you acknowledge how hateful that Mondoweiss article is?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
25. I think our arguments have gone full circle, and that there's nothing more add.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

I think the OP is hate propaganda - you don't.

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