Netanyahu Approves Using Snipers Against Arab Stone Throwers

[shira]

(JNi.media) Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday said that the rules of engagement will be changed in light of numerous stone-throwing incidents on the Temple Mount and elsewhere. He reiterated the need to treat throwers of stones and Molotov cocktails as terrorists. Netanyahu spoke at the inauguration of the railway line from Netivot to Be’er Sheva.

The Prime Minister has already approved the initiative of the Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, to use sharpshooters against rioters firing petrol bombs in Jerusalem. Erdan proposed the sharpshooters use Ruger rifles, a highly accurate sporting weapon, using small caliber bullets to reduce the possibility of death.

On Tuesday night, security professionals told the prime minister that a planned change of the rules of engagement required more time, but Netanyahu insisted on an immediate plan to change the rules of engagement in the entire Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria areas. He requested imposing severe punishments on stone and firebomb throwers, with very heavy penalties for minors and their parents.

According to Israel Today, during the Tuesday night discussion participants weighed five year prison terms for stone throwers, 10 years for throwing Molotov cocktails, coupled with a $25,000 fine and the confiscation of property in lieu of payment. Netanyahu asked Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked and Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan to make sure that it would be feasible to apply the penalties, stressing they were important deterrents.

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http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/netanyahu-approves-using-snipers-against-arab-stone-throwers/2015/09/17/

[Little Tich]

1. I have a genuinely bad feeling about this... n/t

[shira]

5. Won't last long. As soon as someone is killed, it ends. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Murder as a response to stones.

This is zionism corrupted, shira, coopted by right wing Israel.

Steal their lands, hemm them in, destroy their future and when they protest it just kill them from long distance.

It was bound to happen. Palestinian life is considered to be relatively cheap by right wing colonist Israel, its politicians and the IDF that follows orders.

Is this what you want zionism to be remembered for?

[shira]

9. Actually, it's Jewish blood that's cheap. What do u suggest Israel does....

...about teens throwing stones the size of cantaloupes @ tourists, elderly, women, children...?

Think of a real solution to stop it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. You are really OK with sniping Palestinians, shira?

Is that what I am reading?

How many Palestinians has the corrupted IDF murdered via kill-shots already?

How many gasbarist excuses for murder are we going to hear come from the corrupted Israeli government and the supporters of apartheid.

The more that Israel wants to use hostile, lethal and unequal force the more that the world will turn against it.

[shira]

18. So you don't have a better solution to stop it. Exactly as I thought.

Why not just say so?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

26. Your retort is a tacit approval of sniping. Tell me I'm wrong.

[shira]

30. You're wrong & you're evading as usual. So what would u do, Chief?

How would you stop it?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Firstly I would take Israel to the ICC for provocation on a daily basis.

I'd put a stop to their fucking nonsense lickedy split.

[Mosby]

33. what is the punishment for the crime of provocation?

Does Bernie Sanders have a position on this?

Maybe whipping?

Cut something off?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Sanctions.

Sanctions until the right wing, which seemingly has co-opted zionism, in Israel sees the light.

[shira]

37. So big stones keep getting tossed non-stop onto innocents if it were up to you? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. The Best way to separate the Palestinians and Israelis is to remove the illegal colonies.

Twisted right wing zionism has caused this illegal practice.

It needs to stop.

[oberliner]

44. What about Jerusalem?

Presumably both Israelis and Palestinians are going to want access to the holy sites of Judaism and Islam - some of which happened to be located directly adjacent to one another (or in a few cases, are the same actual location revered by both faiths).

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

45. Jerusalem is claimed by both sides.

The UN and international community should weigh in on this since neither side will be reasonable WRT to Jerusalem's status.

We both know that Israel will not accept that, ever. We both know that if the matter of Jerusalem goes to the UN that the USA will help its apartheid buddy with a veto...which will not be sustainable in the long run.

My view is that both sides need to work it out, without preconditions of any kind.

Fuck the fundamentalists.

[oberliner]

48. Most of that seems pretty reasonable

You can say screw the fundamentalists but when it comes to Jerusalem, the fundamentalists on both sides are the ones who are most invested in the outcome. And there is literally no way that both sets will be happy because they each have goals that are completely incompatible with one another.

My own view is that there should be free access to the religious sites for anyone who wants access to them and can behave respectfully towards others who are present there.

On a larger scale, I think that the world would be a much better place without religious fundamentalists of any kind.

[shira]

27. Of course they're not trying to kill, but it'll inevitably happen....

And then the policy will end.

Israelis won't be able to stomach such a policy.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. "...so not trying to kill."

How convenient for them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. Surprised you posted this.

It doesn't paint him in a good light.

I could understand if this was all about throwers of 'molotov cocktails'. But 5 years in prison or possibly shot to death for throwing a rock, even if it doesn't hit anyone is damn disproportionate.

[shira]

4. Why? I'm not a Netanyahu fan, but what should Israel do about this....

These stones kill & have killed or maimed many an Israeli...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. Should do the same things we do here in the states.

Fit the punishment to the crime that actually occurs.

You throw a stone that kills someone, you're up for manslaughter or even murder charges. You throw a stone that bounces off a wall and hits the ground, you get charges along the lines of vandalism or maybe rioting.

[shira]

7. The critics wouldn't like that either. Too many teens & kids in prison...

Evidence of Israeli overreaction, child abuse, & disproportionality.

Raid the places with these big stones & that's evidence of IDF apartheid & occupation.

Nothing Israel does is good enough for the critics.

So there's basically nothing Israel can do in response.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Are you really OK with the IDF sniping Palestinians?

Tell me I'm wrong please.

[shira]

19. I didn't say that, but please provide a better, realistic option. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Are you or aren't you?

You're dodging on a fairly simple question.

Yes or no?

[shira]

29. No, I'm not. So what's your better alternative? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. I would bring them before the ICC.

Israel that is, and not Palestinian stone throwers.

Not sniping them is better than, IMHO.

I don't see the IDF sniping hilltop youth either when they throw stones.

Perhaps if Israel would stop the daily assault of Palestine, illegally colonizing their land, destroying their property, hemming them in and killing them when they feel like it things wouldn't be so dire.

This is Israel's bag-O-crap so stop looking for alternatives for the Palestinians when Israel needs to knock the shit off.

[shira]

38. That won't stop anything. Stone-throwing @ innocents would continue....

....if it were up to you, right?

Maiming & killing of passerbyers, tourists...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. Would it? So let's continue with illegal colonization then? Is that what you're fervently typing?

[shira]

40. No, it won't stop those stones. More people will be hurt, killed...

And your advice for Israel is to do nothing to protect tourists, women, children, elderly...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

43. I see that you are tone deaf to the removal of illegal Israeli colonies.

Just keep on singing the same song over and over, shira.

It really seems that you are trying to argue for sniping rock throwers, IMHO.


More than 1,991 Palestinian children killed since 2000
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=767673

It's time for Israel to be tried at the ICC for war crimes.

[King_David]

16. Possession of marijuana in Florida -5 years

Israel -warning

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. TY for pointing out that drug laws in this country are F'ed up.

Now how many LEOs snip at teens or young children on a daily basis?

Or brags about it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/israeli-sniper-photo-child-crosshairs-instagram_n_2711977.html

?6

[King_David]

20. Why you keep engaging my posts ?

I never answer yours.

I don't believe I have anyone on ignore but in case you didn't realize this by now I thought I should point it out.


BTW you have a Bernie Sanders avatar which is amazing as I am a volunteer on that campaign and he's Jewish,a very strong supporter of Israel .....an anti- Zionist like yourself or your support of the bigoted BDS movement,that you espouse here on a daily basis would NEVER be tolerated on our campaign.


So amazing a single issue person (definitely not Democratic Party values )like you would support Bernie?

Just saying.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. "Why you keep engaging my posts ?"

Put me on ignore if you don't like it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. "Why? I'm not a Netanyahu fan,"

Strange, if you are supporting his "snipe Palestinian policy" ,...which really means kill Palestinian rock throwers, what does that make you then?



If this was happening in America, and President Bush has authorized shoot-to-kill orders against African Americans, would you be in favour of it?

[shira]

21. That's right, I'm not. And I haven't said I approve of the policy...

which really means kill Palestinian rock throwers, what does that make you then?

No, it doesn't mean killing them. Read the article.

If this was happening in America, and President Bush has authorized shoot-to-kill orders against African Americans, would you be in favour of it?

It wouldn't happen here. Can you imagine 100's of African Americans throwing huge stones at white civilians, children, elderly...?

I can't.

[Mnemosyne]

3. This has been going Oma very long time. nt

[newfie11]

10. It must be a living hell

In Gaza.

[shira]

11. That's just an excuse. Gaza could be Paradise & this would still happen. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. You really are on a roll with the memes this am.

[shira]

22. Well, it's a fact. No sooner did Israel get out of Gaza in 2005 that the rockets....

....from Hamas & friends increased in frequency at civilians in nearby Israel.

Hamas saw that pullout as weakness. They figured if Israel would pull out for nothing in return, what would Israel do with even more rockets.....? What else would they give up.

[rafeh1]

28. Maybe israel

Should not try and take over a muslim mosque. Guest attend many moslim mosques all over the world with out problems. Its when guest try to come by force trying to take over that problems seem to happen.

[King_David]

35. What does that mean?

Which mosque is Israel taking over?

[Israeli]

46. What's happening in Jerusalem?: A roundup........

Tensions erupted in East Jerusalem and the West Bank on Friday, as dozens of Palestinians and three Border Police officers were wounded in the third day of clashes over restrictions on Muslim worship in one of Jerusalem’s holiest sites.

According to Ma’an News Agency, dozens Palestinians were wounded during clashes with Israeli security forces throughout the West Bank. Eighteen of them were lightly wounded near the West Bank village of Kafr Qaddum, while protesting in support of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound amid ongoing entry restrictions.

Fifteen Palestinians were also wounded — including six with live bullets — in clashes near Ofer military prison, west of Ramallah. Clashes were also reported in Hebron, Nablus, Tulkarem, Qalqiliya and near the 300 checkpoint in Bethlehem, where witnesses said Palestinian Authority security forces assaulted demonstrators and detained at least 13 youths.

According to Haaretz, three Israeli Border Police officers were wounded Friday in light-to-moderate condition and a Palestinian was moderately to seriously wounded during an operation in East Jerusalem’s Jabal Mukaber neighborhood. The IDF also reported that one Palestinian was lightly wounded after being shot in the leg with a Ruger rifle in the West Bank village of Aboud, adjacent to the settlement of Beit Aryeh.

On Thursday the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee convened a special, emergency meeting to call up Border Police reservists in response to the tensions. Approximately 800 Border Policemen have already been sent to reinforce the regular forces stationed in the capital.

Clashes erupted earlier this week after Israeli security forces received information indicating that young Palestinians intended to hole themselves up on the Temple Mount prior to the arrival of Jews who planned to go there on the eve of Rosh Hashanah.

According to Haaretz’s Nir Hasson, dozens of Israeli police broke through onto the Temple Mount on Sunday morning, which is under the daily administration of the Muslim religious trust, the Waqf. That spurred confrontations between Israeli security forces and young Palestinians at the entrances to the Al-Aqsa Mosque at the site.

The United Nations Security Council is expressing “grave concern” in response to the violence calling for restraint and calm. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly met with Israeli opposition leader Isaac Herzog in London on Friday, where he expressed concern over the escalating violence in Jerusalem and on Temple Mount.

Herzog told Kerry that the violence was triggered by incitement on the part of Islamic figures who have been encouraging youths to clash with Israeli security forces. In recent days Kerry has received phone calls from several Arab foreign ministers demanding that the U.S. intervene and press Israel vis-à-vis the developments on Temple Mount.

Tensions also rose in Israel’s south after a rocket fired on Friday night from Gaza exploded in an open area in the southern Israeli city of Sderot. A bus was damaged by shrapnel.

Earlier on Thursday, a bus was stoned and then torched in East Jerusalem. Palestinians threw stones at the bus as it was driving through East Jerusalem’s Ras al-Amud neighborhood. The driver fled, after which the bus was set on fire.

The attack on the bus came just a few days after 64-year-old Alexander Levlovitch was killed after he allegedly lost control of the vehicle near the Palestinian neighborhood of Sur Baher in East Jerusalem when his car was hit by stones. The car then hit a power pole and landed in a ditch. Two passengers were lightly wounded in the crash.

http://972mag.com/whats-happening-in-jerusalem-a-roundup/111804/

[Israeli]

47. Paying the price for Netanyahu's religious war

Lacking any ability or will to deal with the political stalemate, Netanyahu has a vested interest in presenting the current situation in Jerusalem as a showdown between radical Islam and the West. Who will pay the price?

By Yael Marom

The latest clashes at Al-Aqsa Mosque, and the death of Israeli Alexander Levlovitch as a result of Palestinians throwing stones at his car, have awoken the Israeli media and the prime minister. They tell a very specific story: Palestinians have come together to ruin the Jewish New Year. Why? Perhaps they have something against apples and honey.

But like Avi Issasscharof explained in Walla!, the latest incidents in East Jerusalem are not the result of incitement by extremist Palestinian groups, as the government claims. The clashes are being fueled by the changes being made vis-a-vis entrance procedures for Muslim worshippers to Al-Aqsa (including time, age, and gender restrictions), and especially Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel’s provocative ascendance to the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif on the eve of Jewish New Year. His act led to the violent closure of the entire compound, and despite the ban on Jewish prayer at the Temple Mount, Ariel prayed there anyway.

While Israel has managed to chip away at the status quo at Al-Aqsa and the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif for years, this time it seems like it bit off more than it can chew.

The awakening of Netanyahu and the guard dogs of democracy may seem sudden, but the events in Jerusalem are anything but. Since last summer, Jerusalem has been the site of daily, violent events that go entirely unreported in the media. As Haaretz’s Nir Hasson wrote recently: “In recent, purportedly calm months, there hasn’t been a day without stones being thrown at the Jerusalem light rail system or at motor vehicles, confrontations with the police or harassment of Jews on the Temple Mount and in the alleyways of the Old City, firebombs thrown at the homes of Jews in Palestinian neighborhoods or the firing of flares at police positions.”

The violence toward Palestinians in the Old City also takes place on a day-to-day basis, usually in the wake of the prime minister’s emergency meetings, and include: enclosing entire neighborhoods as collective punishment, Border Police provoking confrontations with schoolchildren, arrests, rubber bullets that have led to heavy injuries, skunk water, tear gas on homes and schools, and more. The state continues to expel Palestinian families from their homes, usually under the guise of violent settler groups — and all this while racist groups like Lehava roam the streets.

Netanyahu’s religious war

Lacking any ability or will to deal with political issues, Netanyahu has a vested interest in maintaining the current situation in Jerusalem as a showdown between radical, violent Islamists on the one hand, and Israel as part of a Western world fighting the groups such as ISIL on the other. Rather than political stagnation vis-a-vis the Palestinian leadership, Netanyahu wants to keep the religious war burning forever, in the hopes that he can control the flames and use them to his benefit. But when any action — by the police, army, politicians, or archeologists — in the Aqsa compound is seen by Palestinians as a credible threat, one must ask who will eventually pay the price for Netanyahu’s war games?

Continued @

http://972mag.com/paying-the-price-for-netanyahus-religious-war/111797/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

49. Shira, it is really time for Netanyahu, and anybody that follows his cruel path,

to look inward and self-assess in order to be forgiven for their sins.

Openly sniping Palestinian children will be the worst mistake in a long line of mistakes that the corrupt right wingers in Israel have made. They have corrupted Israeli zionism into something sinister. They and their supporters should be ashamed.


Wouldn't you agree?