US academic association votes to boycott Israel

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4728851,00.html

A major American Academic association, the American Anthropological Association, overwhelmingly approved a resolution to boycott Israeli academic institutions during the group's annual meeting in Denver, Colorado on Friday.

The motion, which sought to support the BDS movement, was passed by a landslide majority of 1,040 votes in favor, to 136 against. A final electronic vote is set to be held in the coming months.

The meeting also voted down a measure to oppose the BDS movement with a majority of 1,173 votes against to 196 for.
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The AAA is the largest academic association within the US to endorse the boycott movement at an annual meeting.

[geek tragedy]

1. I don't think academic boycotts of the entire country are a productive idea.

Settlement schools like the one in Ariel, sure, but academics are the last ones you want to be targeting.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. It maybe a hard pill to swallow, but if America needed

the same kind of kick in the ass as Israel does, then I would welcome an all-out boycott.

[geek tragedy]

3. but they're closing off academics, which is one area where progressive ideas could spread in Israel.

They're not coming from the political system, and not from the religious authorities.

Education system is controlled by Naftali Bennett.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. I sadly do not believe that academics will matter that much.

With the way that Israel is going after any dissent with threats of cutting off funds, I don't believe ghat much enlightenment is in their future.

...but please, in all ernest, I value your opinion. How do you believe that academics are going to thrive, or fight back, under Naftali Bennet?

[Little Tich]

5. I support this move.

It's not directed against individuals and since Ariel was upgraded to a university, the Israeli university system has become an arm of the settler movement. I wouldn't have supported this boycott if Ariel wouldn't have been upgraded. I'm against the settlements, not Israel.

[Mosby]

7. its collective punishment

Tell me how it isn't.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. South Afrikan apartheidists cried the same excuses.

[Little Tich]

10. Israeli universities openly support Apartheid.

Israel knew this would happen when they created a university on occupied lands. While it's a form of collective punishment, I personally have little sympathy for enablers of Apartheid.

I support boycotts of Apartheid only. If it's not Apartheid, it shouldn't be boycotted.

[shira]

27. How about boycotting 13 year old Israeli girls or American Jews like Matisyahu? n/t

[shira]

12. This is the ugly BDS you said you don't support.

These guys are no different than the ass hats at Mondoweiss or ElectronicIntifada - calling for a full right of Return of refugees that would endanger Jews as a minority within a majority Palestinian state under fascist Hamas style leadership.

http://savageminds.org/2014/07/15/anthropologists-respond-to-frequently-asked-questions-about-a-aaa-bds-resolution/

[Little Tich]

15. You are conflating my motives for supporting the AAA's boycott of Israeli academic institutions

with their motives for instigating that boycott. As long as the Israeli university system is an Apartheid system, I support any boycotts of that system. Ariel University is the key - as long as it remains an Israeli University, AAA's boycott of the Israeli academic institutions is a good one.

I support boycotts of Apartheid only, in fact I think there's a sort of moral imperative to boycott Apartheid.

[shira]

16. Supporting a vile, bigoted organization while trying to spin it as a "moral imperative".

Priceless.

[6chars]

6. Jew haters

One country in the world to boycott. Yeah right. Ok, anthropologists. Can you think of anything, anything at all you could have done that would be more constructive? A conference in Jerusalem about ties among the faiths? It is a field that in theory had a lot to offer in improving our understanding of the history of people's and religion and place, in order to bring that understanding to help today's world. Instead they throw a stink bomb. Looks like this once important field has been captured by non-serious thinkers. A shame.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Israeli zionism has caused this mess.

Instead of looking for the "Jew haters" underneath their beds, those that blindly wave the Magen blue should re-evaluate how Israeli zionism has been corrupted and used as a blanket excuse for everything from illegal colonization of the West Bank to the ghettoization and expulsion of an entire people.

[shira]

11. Yep, Jew hating supporters whose boycotts start & end with the Jews.

Saying they want peace but actually wanting (without saying as much) a 1-state solution after full Right of Return.

Which would lead to 100x the violence going on now.

Fascists - passive, aggressive Jew haters - willfully ignorant. No amount of reasoning would get through to these types.

[6chars]

14. not sure this group even said they want peace

The American Anthropology Association members sipping lattes and laughing in convention centers before going back to their luxurious campuses, condos and McMansions on land their parents stole by murder, and without doing a damn thing (well, other than plenty of lip service) about conditions of Native Americans where they live.

What is it called when someone else is punished to absolve you of your own sins? Oh yeah, SCAPEGOAT. Israel is the scapegoat that all the real colonists and colonialists and imperialist elites in the US and around the world use as the focus of all their blame. By laying their sins on Israel, saying Israel does everything that they actually did and then punishing Israel, they can morally pure at the same time as they enjoy the fruits of their ill-gotten gains. Not a scholarly field. A scam.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. I'm not sure that you understand either human rights or democracy...IMHO.

By calling everything "Jew hate", while ignoring human rights abuses in the name of right wing zionism, shows your measure of irony and personal sciolism.

[shira]

18. It means not advocating a BDS calling for a full right-of-return.....

....which would lead to severe human rights abuses once there's a Palestinian majority (with Hamas rule) and a Jewish minority.

That's neither advocating for human rights or democracy. It's the opposite.

Drop the full right-of-return nonsense & start advocating for 2 states (one being the Jewish one alongside a Palestinian state). Then you can start talking human rights and democracy & maybe someone will take you seriously.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. Yes, shura, your phamtomes are duly noted.

But as I rightly noted before; IMHO you have little understanding of euther human rights or democracy.

Teo states are dead. Israel killed that idea when it started stealing more land than what was awarded to it.

But please, splain on...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Israel will get the message sooner or later...

and so will their blind supporters.

The world grows tired of the apartheid state's antics.

The writings on the wall, but it isn't "Jew hate": it's reality.

[rjsquirrel]

30. A huge number of anthropologists

are Jewish.


So they are self haters according to the Book of Shira.

[azurnoir]

13. Good Ariel University is located in a settlement

[shira]

20. Anthropology group votes to boycott Israel despite major donors’ – including Intel and Yahoo

The BDS clown show continues.

....the AAA’s major donors are among the most important companies in Israel — which probably have not yet caught on to what is being done with their money.

For it turns out that the AAA does not mind getting funding from companies that, by the AAA’s logic, “maintain perpetuate the occupation.” Two of the group’s most “significant” donors are Intel and Yahoo! Labs.

Intel does not just do business in Israel, it is a big part of the Jewish State’s economy, and vice versa. Its Israel division is the country’s largest private employer, while accounting in recent years for up to 40 percent of Intel’s profit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/23/anthropologists-seek-to-enlist-intel-wiley-publishing-co-in-its-israel-boycott/?postshare=611448319738506&tid=ss_tw

[rjsquirrel]

31. AAA is not donation deoendent

It runs on membership dues and publication revenues. True for any us academic association.

"Major donors" is funny.

[6chars]

22. Here is the type of research they wish to suppress

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The discovery of Hezekiah’s royal seal impression in the Ophel excavations “vividly brings to life the Biblical narratives about King Hezekiah, and the activity conducted during his lifetime in Jerusalem’s Royal Quarter,” says the Hebrew University.

It’s much more than that! The unearthing and deciphering of the 2,700-year-old bulla in excavations by the Temple Mount is proof-positive of the Jewish people’s deep roots in Jerusalem. It is reaffirmation of entrenched Jewish rights in Jerusalem.

This is doubly important at a time when some academics and archeologists deny the veracity of the Biblical narrative of ancient Israel, and many Palestinians assert that the Jewish people have no history and no national rights in Jerusalem.

It is the first time that a seal impression of an Israelite or Judean king has ever come to light in a scientific archeological excavation in Israel. This is “the closest that we can get to something that was most likely held by King Hezekiah himself,” says Mazar.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Indigenous-in-Jerusalem-436266


The AAA is so bent on stopping anthropology research in Israel because that research itself supports Jewish claims about history. That is, the AAA opposes research and truth. Does this violate its constitution?

Joke of a field. People with this view toward research should not have their research funded.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. Who fekking cares?

1. Israel has its mondern-day borders.

2. Ancient history of where somebody dropped a seal is of little consequence to international law WRT illegal Israeli colonies.

3. Basing one's vision of legal rights based on "vividly brings to life the Biblical narratives" shows that they are not living in reality.

and... 4. Whining about the percieved unfairness of a boycott, designed to end Israeli colonial apartheid, is fekking histerical.

[Shaktimaan]

24. it's relevant to those who argue that Jews have no historical connection to Palestine.

But beyond that...

1. Israel has its mondern-day borders.

In some places, yes, it does. But it's borders with Palestine have yet to be established, according to treaties agreed to by both nations. The border between the Palestine and Israel isn't the green line, it's nonexistent until it gets determined by negotiations.

4. Whining about the percieved unfairness of a boycott, designed to end Israeli colonial apartheid, is fekking histerical.

The unfairness is inherent in the boycott's objective, ending not "Israeli colonial apartheid" but the state of Israel in it's entirety.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. All I see is this in your posts...

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Must be some kind of syntax error on your part.

[shira]

28. It's a shame you appear incapable of having a rational discussion....

Can't justify your beliefs, so you deflect with nonsense.

[King_David]

29. Best ignore it like most people in this group on both sides do...

If it's not immature posts like that it's OTT posts that everyone on both sides ignore.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. I've given up on hasbarist BSers.

[shira]

33. I think it's just obvious you can't justify your anti-Israel views.

And it burns you up that you're being proven wrong time and time again.

Now, you've given up on engaging "hasbarists" in real debate?

Promise?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Have a nice day.