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shira

(30,109 posts)
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:24 AM Dec 2015

If Joseph and Mary tried to reach Bethlehem today, they might get murdered by Palestinian terrorists

Mehdi Hasan, political director of the Huffington Post, UK, has a post up entitled, “If Mary and Joseph Tried to Reach Bethlehem Today, They Would Get Stuck at an Israeli Checkpoint.”

How would that carpenter and his pregnant wife have circumnavigated the Kafka­esque network of Israeli settlements, roadblocks and closed military zones in the occupied West Bank? Would Mary have had to experience labour or childbirth at a checkpoint, as one in ten pregnant Palestinian women did between 2000 and 2007?


Well, since Joseph and Mary were Judeans, i.e., Jews, from Nazareth, they wouldn’t need to be afraid of Israeli roadblocks needed to combat Palestinian terrorism, but of being murdered by terrorists from Hamas or Fatah.

Seriously, this sort of historical revisionism, treating ancient Jewish Judeans as if they were Palestinian Arabs, and then analogizing modern Israel to the oppressors of Jesus and his family, a common trope in the UK, would be laughable if it were not so pernicious. Pernicious not simply because it’s a ridiculous distortion of history, and not simply because it’s often accompanied by a large dose of anti-Semitism, with Palestinians playing the role of Jesus and the Israelis being the foreign oppressors crucifying him. But pernicious because it goes to the true heart of the Arab-Israeli conflict–the failure of the Arab side to recognize that the “Zionists” are not the “European settler-colonialists” of Third Worldist imagination, but a people with a three thousand year plus tie to the Land of Israel, whose religion was born there, who ruled two separate kingdoms there, who have prayed toward Jerusalem for two thousand years in their ancient Hebrew language, and so on.

Such denial, coming frequently from even “moderate” Palestinian Authority officials, that there was ever a Jewish kingdom or temple in Jerusalem, or that the Jews otherwise are natives to the area, means that the Arab side can’t see any potential peace agreement as a historic reconciliation between two peoples with strong claims to the land, but as at best a humiliating capitulation to foreign occupation that would have to eventually be reversed. Until that mindset changes, there won’t be long-term peace, regardless of paper agreements, and regardless of their terms–even a radical one-state solution with an Arab majority wouldn’t work if that majority thought it was being forced to cohabitate with foreign colonialist interlopers. Writers like Hasan are quite simply the enemies of peace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/22/if-joseph-and-mary-tried-to-reach-bethlehem-today-they-might-get-murdered-by-palestinian-terrorists/?tid=ss_fb-bottom
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If Joseph and Mary tried to reach Bethlehem today, they might get murdered by Palestinian terrorists (Original Post) shira Dec 2015 OP
Maybe atreides1 Dec 2015 #1
Or bulldozed. n/t Wilms Dec 2015 #3
I came to say that JackInGreen Dec 2015 #26
Or credit cards cancelled due to cyber theft. JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #4
Who ? King_David Dec 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #7
And a handsome King King_David Dec 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Dec 2015 #14
That would fall under "legitimate resistance," right? grossproffit Dec 2015 #5
or possibly due to their mode of dress they'd be mistaken for Palestinians and detained azurnoir Dec 2015 #8
One more example aranthus Dec 2015 #10
ya mean Banksy who did the picture or what I said? azurnoir Dec 2015 #11
It was not done by banksy. Mosby Dec 2015 #12
yes it is-BANKSY’S “JOSEPH AND MARY” CHRISTMAS CARD RESURFACES ON SOCIAL MEDIA azurnoir Dec 2015 #15
I stand corrected. Two examples. n/t aranthus Dec 2015 #16
It's not clear who painted it. Mosby Dec 2015 #21
ah a blog you wish to promote? it was quite unconvincing IMO azurnoir Dec 2015 #22
Found the link in GD Mosby Dec 2015 #24
It's not even a " modern" meme King_David Dec 2015 #13
Anything to denigrate & attack Jews - as Christ killers, etc... shira Dec 2015 #20
Clearly you have never been to the area if you think Palestinians dress like ancient Jews.... King_David Dec 2015 #17
some women still veil and wear an abiya that's close enough :) azurnoir Dec 2015 #18
Do the Jews all wear black coats and hats too ? King_David Dec 2015 #19
Do you understand the difference between some and all? azurnoir Dec 2015 #23
For someone who think they know about the Jewish or Palestinian homeland King_David Dec 2015 #25
Let's try this example without race or religion, shall we? DetlefK Dec 2015 #27
No they wouldn't Kalidurga Dec 2015 #28

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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. or possibly due to their mode of dress they'd be mistaken for Palestinians and detained
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

Mary would give birth at a checkpoint and who knows how the story would go from there

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
10. One more example
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015

of the utterly intellectually dishonest and bankrupt depths to which the anti-Israel crowd will sink.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. ah a blog you wish to promote? it was quite unconvincing IMO
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

but everyones entitled to an opinion

Mosby

(16,324 posts)
24. Found the link in GD
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7476040

I guess you hosts don't give a shit about the SoP when it suits your agenda, huh?

Obviously your comments in this thread make it clear that the painting is about the Palestinians-Arab/Israeli conflict. So what gives?

Eta you and libodem both reced the gd post featuring the painting even though you must know it violates the SoP.

Wow.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. It's not even a " modern" meme
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:11 PM
Dec 2015

It's an extremist right wing classic or a Ramadan special in the surrounding countries.

A "Jews killed Christ" type theme....

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
20. Anything to denigrate & attack Jews - as Christ killers, etc...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

The anti-Israel cause today, in a nutshell.



King_David

(14,851 posts)
17. Clearly you have never been to the area if you think Palestinians dress like ancient Jews....
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:39 AM
Dec 2015

In 2015....


An authority on the area you definitely are not ....not even the basics.



Clueless !

King_David

(14,851 posts)
19. Do the Jews all wear black coats and hats too ?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:15 AM
Dec 2015

Yet you consider yourself to know something about the area?

LOL

King_David

(14,851 posts)
25. For someone who think they know about the Jewish or Palestinian homeland
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

Pretty clueless.

Maybe you should go there sometime before professing to be an expert.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
27. Let's try this example without race or religion, shall we?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:12 PM
Dec 2015

There is this land.

The rulers have a heavy military presence in the streets. Some of the citizens are okay with the military presence, some are not. Some civilians fight against the soldiers with terror-attacks on them.

A pregnant couple with little money tries to make its way through that land to reach a certain town.

How does the situation in the country affect the travel of the couple?

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