Abbas: I am determined to prevent violent struggle against Israel

[Little Tich]

Source: Jerusalem Post

In an interview with Kuwaiti TV channel, Abbas voiced strong opposition to violent struggle against Israel and said that the way to establish a Palestinian state is only by diplomatic means.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has unequivocally rejected the use of violent struggle against Israel to end the Israeli "occupation," and stated that a Palestinian state would be established only by diplomatic means.

In an interview with the Kuwaiti Scoop TV channel conducted on Sunday at his office in Ramallah, Abbas said: "We are now engaging in a popular uprising that includes massive protests and demonstrations against the occupation. I am interested in starting direct negotiations with any Israeli figure – be it an Israeli MK, Ashkenazi Jew or Sephardic Jew."

"In 2000-2005 we engaged in a violent struggle. It ruined the country and we did not achieve anything; to the contrary, international public opinion sided with Israel, which enjoyed worldwide legitimacy to attack Palestinians," Abbas said.

"I will not enter a violent struggle. I will not ruin my people and my country. I will fight in the political field to reach my goal. I will never permit violent struggle against Israel and I am determined to prevent anyone from using weapons."

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-I-am-determined-to-prevent-violent-struggle-against-Israel-447878

[azurnoir]

1. Interesting indeed

[Little Tich]

2. I think Abbas is trying to woo the French.

The French peace initiative is something new, and it's probably to his advantage if the Palestinians are seen as the cooperative party. Besides, Abbas has to think about his legacy - he can't waste a possible opportunity (again) for a Palestinian state.

[shira]

4. He needs to call off knife, ramming attacks against Israeli civilians first...

Otherwise his direct negotiations are complete bullshit.

[azurnoir]

5. again oh yes because because Abbas has had so very very many oh so viable offers

[shira]

8. This one Abbas likes for good reason. He can say no and still be guaranteed a state.

That's why the French proposal sucks. It guarantees negotiations fail. The PA can't lose.

So of course Abbas is licking his chops for this one.

[Little Tich]

9. I have to admit that any "peace negotiations" where the US is involved is just a waste of time,

but Abbas isn't exactly a great statesman either. He's more interested in infighting than furthering the interests of the Palestinian people. I can't believe he does anything that's not connected to his own advantage in some way.

[azurnoir]

6. Here is Frances statement why would Abbas have to 'woo' them?

4. France considers that the conflict can only be resolved by the creation of an independent, viable and democratic Palestinian State living in peace and security alongside Israel.

The two-state solution is one that fulfils the national aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians. With this in mind, France has defined, with its European partners in a number of conclusions of the Foreign Affairs Council of ministers of the European Union since 2009, the parameters that should govern resolution of the conflict:
- Borders based on the 1967 lines with equivalent land swaps;
- Security arrangements preserving the sovereignty of the Palestinian State and ensuring the security of Israel;
- A just, fair and agreed solution to the refugee problem;
- An arrangement making Jerusalem the capital of the two states.
5. France considers that Jerusalem should become the capital of the two states, Israel and the future State of Palestine

Pending a negotiated settlement of the conflict and under internationally recognised resolutions, France does not recognise any sovereignty in Jerusalem. It calls for the easing of tensions and particularly respect of the status quo on holy sites. Any challenging to the status quo would pose a major threat to stability.

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/israel-palestinian-territories/peace-process/article/israel-palestine-10-keys-to

[Little Tich]

10. It looks good on paper, but what about the French demand that the Palestinians should have to

recognize a Israel as a "Jewish" state, or did they drop that demand? Recognizing a "Jewish" state would be tantamount to a complete whitewash of the ethnic cleansing of 700.000 Palestinians...

[azurnoir]

11. that is quite doubtful especially seeing as how a fair and equatable solution to the refugee problen

mentioned

[FBaggins]

12. You assume that only your notion of what should happen to them is fair

If there are two states that are geographically distinct (except perhaps for Jerusalem), then Palestinian refugees can "return" to the areas that are Palestinian.

They certainly don't intend a pair of states where one is majority Palestinian and called Palestine, while the other is also majority Palestinian and called Israel.

[azurnoir]

13. you assume so very much what is deemed fair and equattable as yet remains to be seen

[FBaggins]

14. Not at all. I can read.

As I said - They certainly don't intend a pair of states where one is majority Palestinian and called Palestine, while the other is also majority Palestinian and called Israel. They just as clearly intend for there to be two states. There is no possibility that they intended for refugee Palestinians to be able to "return" to areas that are "Israel" and become citizens there. There is no rational definition of "fair" that could mean that.

[azurnoir]

15. and what was it you read that allows you to assume you know what I think on the refugee

issue? link it up so everyone can read it too

[FBaggins]

17. My apologies. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

I assumed that your #11 replied to LT's #10. Which any rational person would read as a claim that they couldn't simultaneously call for recognition of Israel as a "Jewish state" and have a "fair and equatable" solution. That any fair solution must necessarily involve resettling Palestinians in Israel.

[azurnoir]

18. well a fair and equitable solution will involve resettling some Palestinians in Israel or

compensation or both in some combination-that is unknown as is France demanding Palestine recognize Israel as the Jewish state

[King_David]

22. Not if a new state is created then it's not necessary at all ,

And not if its not linked to compensation for Mizrachi Jews expelled either.

[azurnoir]

24. well not according to you and linking

Arab countries compensating Mizrahi Jews to Palestinians will not wash either, however it would make a nice deal breaker tactic

[King_David]

25. You really don't get the nuances of this IP conflict, do you...

As I said , it's not really for beginners.

[azurnoir]

26. well do keep telling yourself that promise and I've been here 10 years and you?

[King_David]

28. I was brought up with this

Learnt at school
Immersed in it
Jewish Sunday school and Camp is all Zionism all the time - it's what it means to be Jewish in the Golah ( that means Diaspora)
Lived in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and on a Kibbutz like Bernie....
Studied it too post grad

10 years on DU in comparison?
This IP isn't for beginners.

LOL

[azurnoir]

29. well then you seem to admit you've had a lifelong periscopic view

thanks

[King_David]

30. Periscopic?

There's many wings of Zionism and comes in all matters of thought and opinion and radicalism and pacifist.


With a comment like that it's more proof that this is really not for beginners.

[azurnoir]

31. you have by your own admission viewed it through the Zionist lens and only that lens

periscopic sounded better than one eye blinded at least IMO

[King_David]

32. Zionist lens?

And we are done here.

[azurnoir]

33. yes here are your comments

Star Member King_David (14,010 posts)
28. I was brought up with this

Learnt at school
Immersed in it
Jewish Sunday school and Camp is all Zionism all the time - it's what it means to be Jewish in the Golah ( that means Diaspora)
Lived in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and on a Kibbutz like Bernie....
Studied it too post grad

10 years on DU in comparison?
This IP isn't for beginners.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=126176

and

Star Member King_David (14,010 posts)
30. Periscopic?

There's many wings of Zionism and comes in all matters of thought and opinion and radicalism and pacifist.


With a comment like that it's more proof that this is really not for beginners.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=126178

oh and the apparent need to be patronizing IMO shows a certain sort of could we call it weakness ?

[azurnoir]

19. apparently France is dropping that demand

http://www.timesofisrael.com/merged-french-palestinian-un-bid-strikes-jewish-state-mention/

[Little Tich]

20. It seems as if the French are trying to an honest broker in the Middle-East - imagine that...

This will probably cause Netanyahu to have difficulties sleeping at night - he thought he'd managed to sink the two-state solution, but it just keeps on popping up again...

[King_David]

23. Hamas

Nuff said.

[shira]

3. Abbas encourages & rewards stabbings, car rammings, stone throwing...

....but is against sending suicide bombers in & shooting rockets into Israel.

Well, so long as his Jew hate is limited to "peaceful & legitimate" stabbings and running over pregnant women, children, and grandparents, then all is good. Nothing to see here.

[Dana Goldstein]

7. He already is involved in violent struggle

He is a liar.

[King_David]

16. I agree with you 100%

[leftynyc]

21. Yup

Let me know when he blasts the daily stabbings.

[COLGATE4]

27. Don't hold your breath. nt