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libodem
(19,288 posts)Warfare. They are all but helpless. Why the Israelis don't see the parallels is beyond me.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... it it wasn't, there would never be a winner.
But, anyone who provokes a war with an obviously superior enemy is either deranged or suicidal.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or like Vietnam with the weaker side winning
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)eyl
(2,499 posts)given that the forces which rolled into Saigon were NVA forces (i.e. the regular armed forces of North Vitenam), which is not what is usually meant by asymmetric warfare.
Igel
(35,362 posts)Since we had no forces to fight the NVA and no troops on the ground, with a valid peace treaty--and moreover had refused to supply money to the South Vietnamese military--it's hard to see how tanks rolling into Saigon says much about us. Except that we didn't supply promised money and arms to an ally.
It's also asymmetric when one side, for PR and military reasons not involving the enemy itself concedes some tactics. The result is usually a non-win for both sides--a frozen conflict, something that usually winds up killing and hurting more than an actual conclusion to the conflict--or the eventual winning of a frozen conflict when one side simply stops fighting.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... one side had the will to fight, the other didn't
The will to fight can be a much more important force multiplier than weaponry. The Americans were defeated in Vietnam because they had no will to fight and no reason to stay. Israel on the other hand, even though it lacks the will to deal the Palestinians a decisive defeat -- cannot very well pick up and leave, they have no where to go. There are lots of Arab states, there is only one Jewish state.
So, this will go on and on forever, with Palestinians provoking and Israelis dealing out limited retaliation.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)via a targeted assassination, that killed a couple of children as well
quite frankly IMO there is blame to go around on this and neither side is solely responsible
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What are you referencing?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:14 AM - Edit history (1)
''Killing the Palestinians with machine gun fire looks a lot less ugly than gassing those poor bastards in an oven. ''
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=21084
We want to know.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or maybe did not understand it?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Although this poster is not alone,and no sarcasm thingy here,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=309368
And the post this dude replied to too,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=308933
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but the sarcasm thing was there
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Of course, it doesn't look much different from the rhetoric I see from some "pro-Israeli" corners, just with the names flipped around... Still, I find those posts fucking vile too.
Stuff like that isn't helping us any, and I see no reason to mount even a really weak defense for it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the Palestinians marching Jews to the ovens or would be
the post was nasty true I wonder has it been alerted?
libodem
(19,288 posts)It was a regretful thing to say. Being upset does not excuse it. Your tolerance in continuing to converse with me is appreciated. I hope you can forgive me. I will never make another statement like it. I want to be respectful when I address someone who is Jewish. Should I not say Jew? Is Jewish preferable?
Our viewpoints are diametrically opposed. But I wish to continue to be able to discuss this hotbed issue. I respect your religion but I am unhappy with Israel's policy. Please forgive me for the inappropriate comment. It made me look like a horses ass.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Give it whatever credibility you like.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Not an honest depiction, but then it isn't meant to be.