Illegal Weapons Captured in Judea and Samaria

[vminfla]

Illegal Weapons Captured in Judea and Samaria


An IDF force stationed near Nablus captured two Palestinian men carrying an M-16 rifle, an Uzi, and matching ammunition yesterday. The two were taken in for investigation while the weapons themselves were confiscated by security forces.

In the past few months several other weapon caches and terror cells have been discovered in Judea and Samaria, not including improvised weapons such as knives or Molotov cocktails, which are confiscated on a near-daily basis.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/idfonline/6622512473/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Must be an "activist"

[aranthus]

1. There are several reasons they could have been carrying the weapons.

They could be common criminals. Or, given the way that some of the settlers have been acting, they could have been for self defense. Or they planned to attack someone. I'm not going to jump to conclusions, and will wait for the investigation to be completed.

[vminfla]

2. Yep, an M-16 is a common carry weapon

Makes sense to me. Everyone with a CCW in my city is carrying one. What part of illegally carrying eludes you?

[aranthus]

3. Of course it's not in your city.

But this was in the West Bank. It's still a war zone of sorts. I was merely pointing out that there are other reasons for illegally carrying a weapon besides potential terrorism.

[vminfla]

4. Sounds like they were setup

After all, these arabs were carrying an M16 and an Uzi. What self-respecting mujahadeen would be caught using the tools of the Great Satan and the Little Satain?

[vminfla]

5. IDF soldiers thwart major terror attack near Jenin

IDF soldiers captured close to a dozen pipe bombs at the Salem Crossing near Jenin in the northern West Bank on Sunday, thwarting what appears to have been a major terrorist attack, possibly against a nearby military court.

Four Palestinians were arrested at the crossing and were found to be in possession of 11 pipe bombs, a homemade pistol and a commando knife. They were transferred to the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) for interrogation.

The thwarted attack came a week after the IDF captured a number of weapons in a home in Kfar Salem, near Nablus, including an M-16 and an Uzi and after the Shin Bet recorded an increase in the number of attacks in December in the West Bank.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?ID=252686&R=R1

Looks like Hamas and other terrorist organizations are gearing up for some large scale attacks, moving their pawns across the board.

[azurnoir]

6. Don't the Israeli settlers in the West Bank legally carry M-16's?

why yes they do and here is a snip from a past conversation I've had about this just in case anyone wants t deny it as happened on that thread

pelsar (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-17-11 01:07 AM
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29. the settlers carry army issued M-16s n/t


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=345623

but thank you for outlining for us that there are one set of laws in the West Bank for Israeli settlers and another for Palestinians something that is one of the very foundations of apartheid

[vminfla]

7. The US is an apartheid country then

After all, it does not allow foreign nationals, such as foreign students with school visas to possess firearms.

Apartheid!! Apartheid!!! US Apartheid!

[azurnoir]

8. so the Palestinians in the West Bank are foreign nationals but the 'Israeli's'

are not ? It appears you need to be once again reminded that the West Bank is not Israel, if we were talking about Tel Aviv or Netanya your comparison might have some validity as it stands it has none

[vminfla]

9. There are over 3.4 firearms per 100 population

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/palestine

Hardly an apartheid state. But, like the US, there are certain places you cannot go brandishing an M16 or an Uzi, or a stick of dynamite. These two people happened to be caught, just like the arab trying to get the pipebombs through the checkpoint. Hardly nothing to pity.

[azurnoir]

10. so what it does not change anything

in the West Bank there are one set of laws for Israeli's and another for Palestinian's that is apartheid period

eta I note that once again you refuse to use the term Palestinian and use arab with a lower case A

once again why is that?

[vminfla]

11. Fail to see your point

You can't drive up to a US military base with an M-16. You can't go into a public library in most states with an Uzi. Did Melvil Dewey establish an apartheid state in the Young Adults section?

[azurnoir]

12. lol still trying are you? In the West Bank if your an Israeli civilian you can carry an M-16

into town or just about anywhere else you please if your Palestinian you can not own one let alone brandish it in public
In the US automatic weapons are illegal to carry

[vminfla]

13. Can you cite the relevant legislation

So far you have proferred speculation on the details of the story. I have given you several examples where brandishing would be legal or illegal depending on the legitimate circumstances.

[azurnoir]

14. you've given nothing but flotsam and denial of the obvious here

and I have not speculated on anything in the West Bank it is legal for Israeli's to own and carry M-16's and illegal for Palestinians to do either

No law in the US is comparable as I said if we were talking about laws in Israel there would be some comparison to the US but the West Bank is not part of Israel

[vminfla]

15. The US and Israeli laws are comparable

I can go out and buy an M-16 in the US today. It cannot be an automatic. I am sure the same is true in Israel. I have heard nothing contrary to that.

[azurnoir]

16. But once again the subject is the law in the West Bank

not the law in Israel or the US

[vminfla]

17. Once again, show me the "biased" law that you allude to

Someone was arrested for carrying an M16. Is it because it was a fully automatic or because it was in a secure location? Given the fact that an Uzi, a sub machine gun, was found along with it, it was probably the former. I cannot think of too many countries that unilaterally allow civilians to carry fully automatic weaponry.

[azurnoir]

18. perhaps you should take a look at the thread I reposted from last year

however Israel allows it's citizen colonists to carry M-16's in the area that Israel is militarily occupying while it does not allow the Arabs who live there to do the same

once again here is the thread

pelsar (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-17-11 01:07 AM
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29. the settlers carry army issued M-16s n/t


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=345623

[vminfla]

19. No evidence in your thread. Please substantiate your claim

Just because it is on the internet does not make it true. If Pelsar made the claim, you will need to get clarification from him. Were these particular settlers reservists? Were they army issued or army surplus? Are they AR-15s or military M16s. Your thread does not provide any meaningful information.

[azurnoir]

20. lol obfuscation much ?

unless it is very recent Israeli settlers (colonists) have been carrying M-16's in the West Bank without any interference from IDF now you can sputter on and make any claim you wish to be honest I have no idea if it is a written law or not if you wish to question what an Israeli has to say about it be my guest the AR-15 ploy is a direct copy of the attempt at denial on the the thread I posted, the comment from Pelsar was in reply to that denial

Now I do understand your being chagrined at a thread you posted being seen as an example of apartheid, but it was there and I recognized within minutes of thee thread being posted last week

[vminfla]

21. Silly. You have said nothing

Pelsar was the one who made the unsubstantiated claim that an M16 is legal carry. He failed to include details about that claim. Likewise, I challenge you to provide any evidence to support your claim.

As of now, the only claim that you can make is that the US is an apartheid state based on your definition of apartheid.

[azurnoir]

22. lol oh lordy now the word of an Israeli is not good enough? gotta love it

the Israeli rule of the West Bank is apartheid as your own thread quite plainly illustrates

[vminfla]

23. We must be reading different threads

Two people were arrested for brandishing fully automatic weapons near Nablus. They will have their day in court. As far as the pipe bomb folks go in the other topic, no ... no one is allowed to carry pipe bombs.

[azurnoir]

24. I was pointing how that the Palestinians were arrested and will stand trial

for something Israel colonists do routinely outlined apartheid and here is an example of just that

On 16th September at 9.30am, nine settlers from the Eish Qodis outpost near Qusra village positioned themselves close to a well on the land of Fathallah Abu-Reida. One of the settlers was armed with an M-16 rifle and another had a large dog. According to one witness the settlers were preparing to swim in the well.

The owner of the land and his three sons approached the settlers and asked them to leave. They refused and threatened to set the dog on Fathallah and his sons. When other residents arrived to help their neighbours, the settlers fired shots into the air. The residents surrounded the setters in an attempt to make them move towards the road but the settlers released the dog and one resident fell and broke his leg as he tried to escape. The settlers opened fire again and Fathallah was struck in the leg by a bullet that ricocheted off a rock.

At around 10am, six jeeps carrying Israeli soldiers arrived. They fired tear gas at the Palestinians forcing them to move away before removing the settlers from the area. Fathallah was taken to hospital for treatment to his leg (see Al-Haq Affidavits No. 6629/2011,

http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/457-escalation-of-settler-violence

nothing about the settlers being arrested for carrying M-16's though

also here is a copy of Israeli law allowing the settlers to carry automatic weapons, it is from the 1990's but that does not mean its changed

Israeli settlers have been authorized to carry weapons from their earliest days in the occupied territories. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) issued Uzi and M-16 machine guns to early settlers.

As the settlement enterprise became more firmly established and the numbers of settlers grew, their institutionalized security role has been expanded by the IDF.

Less than a week before the massacre in Hebron, Minister of Police Moshe Shahal announced the formation of civil guard units in all major settlements in the occupied territories. The first of the units was established in the settlement of Ma'ale Adumim, east of Jerusalem, in December 1993. Composed of settler-residents, the units have been granted authority to detain Arabs, but operate within settlement confines only. Settlers have been armed in the following manner:

Under the District Defense Regulations established in 1973, settlers are required to perform their annual reserve duty in the area in which they live. This regulation has resulted in armed, militant settlers like Meir Kahane, the founder of the recently banned Kach Political Party, patrolling the streets of Ramallah during their annual reserve assignments and participating at checkpoints and with patrols.
Military Order 898 of March 1981 expanded the settlers' powers by permitting them to require Palestinians suspected of violating any military order to produce identification cards; to arrest Palestinian suspects without warrant; and to participate in the "Regional Defense Network," formed by settlers residing in the string of small Gush Emmunim settlements throughout the West Bank heartland.

This security innovation was endorsed by Raphael Eitan during his tenure as chief of staff in the early 1980s. The system of territorial defense organized these settlers in "organic military units stationed in their own areas under their own command." Weapons, training, and equipment were provided as part of a program aimed at increasing the participation of settlers in the conduct of military security operations.

http://www.fmep.org/reports/archive/vol.-4/no.-3/israels-policy-of-arming-israeli-settlers-endangers-palestinians-in-the-territories

and from more recently

Settlers Outfitted with Military Training, Equipment Thanks to US Tax-Deductible Donations

News about the Israeli military arming and training the settlers raised international and Israeli attention last week and set off alarms amongst anti-occupation activists. This reinforcement of the well-known army-settler alliance is part, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, of Operation Summer Seeds, the military name given to Israel’s preparations for “mass disorder” that Israeli authorities believe could follow UN recognition of a Palestinian state later this month. So who are these settlers in the frontline of an eventual Israeli armed reaction to possible Palestinian protests?

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/settlers-outfitted-with-military-training-equipment-thanks-to-us-tax-deductible-donations/