Palestinian Officials Demand Investigation Into Arafat ‘Killing’ After Al-Jazeera’s Polonium Poison

[Purveyor]

By Agence France-Presse
Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:21 EST

Palestinian officials demanded a global probe into the “killing” of Yasser Arafat on Thursday, a day after it emerged that Swiss forensic tests showed he probably died from polonium poisoning.

With the scientific analysis purportedly showing how the Palestinian leader had died mysteriously, a senior figure in the Palestine Liberation Organisation called for an international inquiry to determine who was behind it.

“The (test) results proved Arafat was poisoned by polonium, and this substance is owned by states, not people, meaning that the crime was committed by a state,” said Wasel Abu Yusef of the PLO’s executive committee.

“Just as a committee was formed to investigate the killing of (slain Lebanese prime minister) Rafiq Hariri, there must be a international committee to investigate the killing of president Arafat.”

MORE...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/07/palestinian-officials-demand-investigation-into-arafat-killing-after-al-jazeeras-polonium-poison-report/

[oberliner]

1. Rival PLO members?

Seems the most likely culprit.

This could be really embarrassing for Fatah in the end.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Oh, look. You misspelled MOSSAD.

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:48 PM - Edit history (1)

[Purveyor]

4. {{{chuckle}}} eom

[oberliner]

5. It's usually spelled with 2 S's

So I think you are the one who is in error.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. I can easily correct a grammatical mistake

Are you able to say that you can retract one of your assumptions built out of nothing more than ether?

[oberliner]

9. Fatah: Ex-Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan poisoned Arafat

Loyalists of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas have accused a rival of poisoning the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, in an apparent effort to discredit him politically.

Top officials of Abbas' Fatah Party issued a report Sunday contending that former Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan sent poison disguised as medicine to Arafat while he was in a Paris hospital.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/fatah-ex-gaza-strongman-mohammed-dahlan-poisoned-arafat-1.377635

Not quite ether.

[shaayecanaan]

10. Yeah, and Boris Berizovsky poisoned Litvinenko

I send medicine through the post to hospital patients all the time. I think the hospitals are quite grateful for me taking the extra work off their hands.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. Not quite polonium either.

Hmmmm... now who might have large amounts of nuclear material. Hmmm......


http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.556656

Swiss team: Arafat poisoned to death with polonium
Al Jazeera reports Swiss team found levels of polonium at least 18 times higher than normal; Arafat's widow: This is proof of 'political assassination'; Israel dismisses report, says findings 'not conclusive.'


It's strange that Israel is so hot out of the gate to dismiss such a thing.

[azurnoir]

3. yes because we all know that the PLO has stock piles of polonium just lying about

oh wait.....

[oberliner]

6. Doesn't sound like a stockpile was necessary

Just a tiny amount.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Something that could easily come from

the nuclear Israeli stockpile.

[Dick Dastardly]

16. Or something that could easily come from many other sources

worldwide including commercial suppliers made readily available to industry and the public with very little regulation or registration.






Regulatory exposure limits and handling[edit]
The maximum allowable body burden for ingested 210Po is only 1.1 kBq (30 nCi), which is equivalent to a particle massing only 6.8 picograms. The maximum permissible workplace concentration of airborne 210Po is about 10 Bq/m3 (3×10?10 µCi/cm3).[78] The target organs for polonium in humans are the spleen and liver.[79] As the spleen (150 g) and the liver (1.3 to 3 kg) are much smaller than the rest of the body, if the polonium is concentrated in these vital organs, it is a greater threat to life than the dose which would be suffered (on average) by the whole body if it were spread evenly throughout the body, in the same way as caesium or tritium (as T2O).

210Po is widely used in industry, and readily available with little regulation or restriction. In the US, a tracking system run by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was implemented in 2007 to register purchases of more than 16 curies (590 GBq) of polonium-210 (enough to make up 5,000 lethal doses). The IAEA "is said to be considering tighter regulations ... There is talk that it might tighten the polonium reporting requirement by a factor of 10, to 1.6 curies (59 GBq)."[80] As of 2013, this is still the only alpha emitting byproduct material available, as a NRC Exempt Quantity, which may be held without a radioactive material license.[citation needed]
Polonium and its compounds must be handled in a glove box, which is further enclosed in another box, maintained at a slightly higher pressure than the glove box to prevent the radioactive materials from leaking out. Gloves made of natural rubber do not provide sufficient protection against the radiation from polonium; surgical gloves are necessary. Neoprene gloves shield radiation from polonium better than natural rubber.[81]

Commercial products containing polonium[edit]
210Po is manufactured in a nuclear reactor by bombarding 209Bi with neutrons. 100 grams are produced each year, almost all in Russia.[95]

Some anti-static brushes contain up to 500 microcuries (20 MBq) of 210Po as a source of charged particles for neutralizing static electricity.[96] In USA, the devices with no more than 500 µCi of (sealed) 210Po per unit can be bought in any amount under a "general license",[97] which means that a buyer need not be registered by any authorities.

Tiny amounts of such radioisotopes are sometimes used in the laboratory and for teaching purposes—typically of the order of 4–40 kBq (0.11–1.1 µCi), in the form of sealed sources, with the polonium deposited on a substrate or in a resin or polymer matrix—are often exempt from licensing by the NRC and similar authorities as they are not considered hazardous. Small amounts of 210Po are manufactured for sale to the public in the United States as 'needle sources' for laboratory experimentation, and are retailed by scientific supply companies. The polonium is a layer of plating which in turn is plated with a material such as gold. This allows the alpha radiation (used in experiments such as cloud chambers) while preventing the polonium from being released and presenting a toxic hazard. According to United Nuclear, they typically sell between four and eight sources per year.[98][99]





more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. So you would have to admit that it could have come from the Israelis inasmuch

as it could have come from elsewhere.

There is also motive, and since Israel could be seen as having a reason to remove Arafat the only logical conclusion is to have an investigation into the charge and not sweep it under the rug as the Israelis appear to want to do.

[azurnoir]

11. so you believe that the Palestinians have nuclear materials?

shouldn't you be writing IAEA with this 'knowledge' ?

[oberliner]

13. Fairly positive they don't

Could a highly placed Palestinian get access to a miniscule amount?

Dahlan, for instance?

He has, as you know, worked with the CIA.

[Dick Dastardly]

17. The Palestinians and just about anyone else has access to Polonium

as shown in my previous post.

The IAEA already knows this.

[azurnoir]

18. Lol and the last time we heard about Arafat it was a certanty he died of AID's

but as long as an Arab is guilty it's all good right right ?

ETA you forgot the last edit time in your wiki link it is

This page was last modified on 8 November 2013 at 02:49.

interesting that though

[oberliner]

19. "as long as an Arab is guilty it's all good right"

This kind of garbage should be beneath you at this point as no one on this board has expressed such views.

[azurnoir]

21. no one has said exactly those words but review the replies to this and other threads

and you'll find that's about what it boils down to

[King_David]

22. Yes because you can read minds and divine hate from th text ?

You say it's all about Arabs and hate for Arabs ... (Are you an Arab ? Or just a spokesman for Arabs?) it's probably more about Jews ( I am a Jew and function as a spokesman too ) ...

[azurnoir]

24. what I read is the guess's as to whodunit

now I'm sorry if you don't like how those may sort out and if you read back this subthread is all about the Palestinians having polonium or not and I lean towards the not

[Israeli]

25. Yup ...

you sure are King_David ...

Re : I am a Jew and function as a spokesman too

Kind of an embarrassment kind of " spokesman too " but whatever ...continue ...

[King_David]

26. It all comes to motivation

I understand what motivates you to be passionate on this topic .. You have a horse in this race .. Myself and other Jewush Zionists have so too ..I understand the passion of Palestinian,Arab and Muslims posting too and all our obsession.

I also understand what motivates other non Israeli non Palestinian Non Muslim Non Arab Westerners from Europe and USA who are very passionate on this topic too.

( and I function in the PR of a Gay Jewish organization in North America so be embarrassed if you want fine.. But you have reminded me many many times that mine and your cultures are different ... Your grandparents are European decent and mine are Middle Eastern.. Born in Palestine )

[Israeli]

31. my motivation is all layed out clearly in black and white here :

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/aims/

you dont even have the where withal to figure out who Adam Keller is ...
ref : http://adam-keller2.blogspot.co.il/

I'm not embarrassed about you being gay .... I'm embarrassed about your intellectual capacity .

[King_David]

32. You should be more embarrassed by your own juvenile taunts

"I'm embarrassed about your intellectual capacity ."

Really now ?


I'm a Jewish kid in the Golah ... I'm probably a Doctor or a Lawyer or something ...

[Scootaloo]

14. I'm not sure about that

I mean it's not like there was ever a lack of opportunity for such a rival to take out Arafat. And going with polonium is just a bit ofer-the-top, when you consider a bullet to the head is the standard method for these things.

I'm more curious about Russia's lack of findings. Or, supposed lack of findings.

[pelsar]

15. outside of internal PA politics

who really cared if arafat lived or died? He was no longer a "world player" just a local tin-pot dictator

[King_David]

23. Yes but people will really care now

Especially if Israel can be blamed .

[oberliner]

20. Harder to pin a bullet to the head on Israel

Which is where many folks seem to want to pin this.

Important to remember, also, that at the time Arafat fell ill, he was surrounded by Palestinian guards round the clock.

[azurnoir]

27. "at the time Arafat fell ill, he was surrounded by Palestinian guards round the clock."

we do remember it's how, why and who was the guiding hand that is in question here

[azurnoir]

30. so in your mind Israel which is what it seems to be equates to Jew?

if that is what you wish or you wish to present it, I understand but that does not make it so

BTW last time Arafat was discussed it was due to claims the polonium was false or planted or something and the same folks that are claiming Palestinians done it were claiming that Arafat died of AIDs and that he was quite possibly Gay, it was a memorable thread too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=13235

[King_David]

33. Israel is the Jewish State

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2013, 05:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Duh !

That is the reason it's reviled so .. That's the reason so many people obsess over it .

[Violet_Crumble]

35. 'But as long as a Jew is guilty it's all good right?'

This kind of garbage should be beneath you at this point as no one on this board has expressed such views.

[oberliner]

36. Amen

I'm ashamed to have even typed such a thing.

[azurnoir]

37. Thank you it was if nothing else quite inaccurate

as about 25% of Israeli's are non-Jews, I wonder though what percentage of Palestinians are non Arab?