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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 04:10 PM Jul 2014

Bennett: Israel must impose same law against Jewish and Palestinian terrorists

Without skipping a beat, Bibi gets the message out: Netanyahu: No difference between Jewish and Arab incitement; at same time, Israeli prime minister says Palestinians welcome murderers 'as heroes.'

Right-wing Israeli minister Naftali Bennett said Sunday condemned the abduction and murder of a Palestinian teen last as "despicable, immoral and anti-Jewish," after it emerged that police had arrested six suspects and increasingly believed it to be the act of Jewish extremism.

Bennett, chairman of the Habayit Hayehdi party, called for Israel's anti-terrorist law to be leveled against those responsible for 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir's murder.

In a rare press conference on Sunday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also condemned the murder, telling reporters that he saw no difference between terrorist activities carried out by Jews and those carried out by Arabs, and would fight each with equally a heavy hand.

"We do not distinguish between acts of terrorism, and we will react harshly against both. We do not distinguish between forms of incitement," Netanyahu said. "As I condemn the calls of death to Arabs, I condemn calls of death to Jews."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.603419


Settler violence: Lack of accountability Dual system of law


Although settlers in the Occupied Territories live in an area that is subject to military rule, and despite the fact that the settlements have not been formally annexed, Israel has applied a substantial part of Israeli law to the settlers. As a result, Israeli civilians living in the Occupied Territories are not subject to military or local law, as are the Palestinians, but are prosecuted according to the Israeli penal law.

The Emergency Regulations (Offenses in the Occupied Territories – Jurisdiction and Legal Assistance), 5727-1967, enacted by the Minister of Defense in July 1967, provided that Israeli civilians who have committed offenses in the Occupied Territories can be tried also in Israeli civil courts. This created extra-territorial personal status for Israeli civilians in the Occupied Territories. Since then, the Knesset has regularly extended these regulations.

Being subject to the Israeli judicial system, settlers enjoy liberties and legal guarantees that are denied Palestinian defendants in the Occupied Territories charged with the same offense. The authority to arrest an individual, the maximum period of detention before being brought before a judge, the right to meet with an attorney, the protections available to defendants at trial, the maximum punishment allowed by law, and the release of prisoners before completion of their sentence – all of these differ greatly in the two systems of law, with the Israeli system providing the suspect and defendant with many more protections.

Thus, different legal systems are applied to two populations residing in the same area, and the nationality of the individual determines the system and court in which he or she is tried. This situation violates the principle of equality before the law, especially given the disparity between the two systems. It also violates the principle of territoriality, conventional in modern legal approaches, according to which a single system of law must apply to all persons living in the same territory.

http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/dual_legal_system
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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. "We mustn't judge anyone to be guilty before the facts are brought to light in court"
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jul 2014
"just as was the murder of three Israeli youths by Hamas terrorists."


Must be a three-day weekend for Ynet's editors or something.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Bereaved Israeli family consoles father of murdered Palestinian teen
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jul 2014
Jerusalem mayor during condolence visit to family of Naftali Fraenkel connects them with family of Mohammed Abu Khdeir.

* The club no parent wants to be a part of

By Nir Hasson | Jul. 7, 2014

Two bereaved families, one Israeli and one Palestinian established contact Sunday, during a condolence visit by Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat at the Nof Ayalon home of Naftali Fraenkel, one of the three Israeli teens kidnapped and murdered in the West Bank.

During the visit, Barkat called Hussein Abu Khdeir, the father of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian whose body was found in the Jerusalem Forest last week. Barkat offered his condolences, and at the end of the call asked Hussein Abu Khdeir and Yishai Fraenkel, Naftali Fraenkel's uncle, if they wish to speak. Fraenkel expressed his condolences, and added that he was horrified to learn that Khdeir's murderers were Jews.

The two agreed that the families of the three Jewish victims would soon pay a condolence visit to Abu Khdeir's family over the death of their son.

Naftali Fraenkel was kidnapped along with Gilad Shaar and Eyal Yifrah from a hitchhiking station near the West Bank settlement of Gush Etzion in mid-June, and were most likely murdered soon thereafter. Their bodies were discovered last week.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.603443/1.603443

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
7. He waited until he knew who they were ...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:10 AM
Jul 2014

.... not his voters .

Also he had no choice as things are extremely tense on all fronts , see :

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/incitement-kidnapped-youths-bnei-akiva-social-media.html

Although still on a police gag order details into the kidnapping and murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir have been leaked , even by channel 10 last night .
.....its horrific what they did to that boy , even made him drink petrol before they set him on fire !!!

Even the Arab villages near my Kibbutz have been rioting and that is rare .

The six suspects are affiliated with Shas and are from Jerusalem, Beit Shemesh, and Adam, a small West Bank settlement near Jerusalem.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
11. " so much tension " ....
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jul 2014

...the air is so thick with it tonight you could cut it with a knife .

One more spark and we are all about to go up in flames .....again .

With referance to your OP ...before it gets derailed

Read this :
http://972mag.com/details-of-palestinian-deaths-jeopardize-a-system-of-denial/93097/

There is always Right and Left


Bibi and Bennett are masters of incitement.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. I am reading Bibi is reluctant to make an official go of it in Gaza...I hope that is true.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jul 2014

There are plenty of reports that have indicated incitement early on..shameful.
The political opportunists game he played on squelching the unity government was obvious.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
14. Hamas kind of pushed any chance of that
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:05 AM
Jul 2014

....out the window now .

Here another for you :

Denouncing Arab youth's murder is not enough

Op-ed: Rightist politicians rushed to condemn Shuafat murder, but incitement is still considered a legitimate, patriotic act.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4538902,00.html

There is no reason to doubt the sincerity of the statements. The murder shocked any moral person in the right, in the left or in the center. The right-wing ministers had another, less heroic reason, to be angry: The murder pushed their demands off the agenda. It's hard to run an effective campaign for the occupation of Gaza, the annexation of parts of the West Bank, a revenge campaign without distinction against Arab communities or the authorization of illegal outposts, while the sooty body of an innocent youth lies in front of our eyes.

From the very beginning, their demands has no security-related or political justification. The murder stripped them of their moral cover.


Because this murder was not born in a void.

Like the Rabin murder and Emil Grunzweig murder, like the acts of murder and sabotage of the Jewish underground and the Goldstein massacre in Hebron, like the "price tag" gangs' acts of terror and the murders committed by Jack Teitel and the Bat Ayin underground and more, this murder has a father and a mother, an aunt and an uncle.

Yigal Amir, the prime minister's murderer, was a student of the most prominent rabbis in the settlement sector. So were the murderers from the Jewish underground. Yona Avrushmi, who murdered Peace Now activist Emil Grunzweig, was a small criminal from Jerusalem who testified that he had drawn his inspiration from incitement speeches he heard from politicians.

Even if the suspects in the murder of the Shuafat youth are more similar in their background to Yona Avrushmi than to Yigal Amir, the incitement is in the heart of their motive.


Danny Danon is the deputy defense minister. On the eve of the discovery of the bodies of Eyal Yifrach, Naftali Frenkel and Gil-Ad Shaer, he recommended that we imitate Russia's president. "If a Russian youth had been kidnapped, Putin would have flattened village after village," he wrote on his Facebook page.

I didn't follow Danon's Facebook page after the Arab youth's murder, whether he had any criticism about the murder or was pleased about it, but that makes no difference. The important thing about incitement is what one writes before. Danny Danon could perhaps serve as deputy defense minister in the Putin government. The Netanyahu government should have vomited him.

Or Noam Pearl, the general secretary of the World Bnei Akiva movement, who got caught in a messianic statement: "An entire nation and thousands of years of history demand revenge" (I'll spare the reader the rest). Bnei Akiva is a youth movement, the apple of the eye of the party which was once called Mafdal (National Religious Party). One would expect the party chairman to suggest that the distinguished avenger vacate his seat or, at least, keep his enthusiasm to himself. Bennett settled for condemning the murderers.

Orit Strock is a Knesset member on behalf of the Bayit Yehudi faction. She also has a Facebook page. She had nothing to say about the murder of the Shuafat youth, but she had a lot to say about the murder of the three teens. The government, she wrote, will be tested according to the heavy price it claims from the terrorists and their surroundings. She didn't write what she means by "their surroundings." She left that detail to the readers' imagination.

That same Strock thanked God for putting former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to death. That's her religious faith. That's the style. The rabbi she and her friends admire, Dov Lior, found the blame for the three teens' murder: A number of secular bills presented in the Knesset. His god kills three religious teens because of Yair Lapid, and not a single Bayit Yehudi member dares renounce him. And that was, of course, one of Rabbi Lior's more moderate declarations.


The lesson is that no lesson has been learned, not from the Grunzweig murder and not from the Rabin murder, not from the Jewish underground's crimes and not from the Goldstein massacre. The murders are condemned, but the incitement leading to them is considered a legitimate, patriotic, faithful act. Some say it even generates votes.

On the margins of this story, another crime should be mentioned: After the Jerusalem murder, some people made sure to spread two false stories on social media. The first was that the murder was the result of a brawl between clans, and the other, that it happened on the background of forbidden homosexual relations. Libel was added to the murder. Look how despicable people can be, how malicious, all in the name of Jewish morals.


Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. Bibi has decided not to take the approach of revealing evidence he claims to have
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 07:39 AM
Jul 2014

on Hamas being behind the teens kidnapping and death. No explanation why collective
punishment in Gaza was warranted at the time because it seems Israel knew they were already dead.
He creates havoc to meet a political end, regardless, to ensure no unity government.

No mention of these deaths either,which precipitated the teens kidnappings:

His name was Nadim Nawara and he grew up and had his own political opinion and went out to demonstrate and died in Beitunia in the Nakba Day protest on May 15, 2014. He survived a premature birth and a car accident, but did not survive the occupation.

http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20140622_his_name_was_nadim_nuwara

The culprits who kidnapped the settlers teens were motivated by revenge and or saw it as an opportunity
to disrupt any unity agreement within the Hamas camp...still unclear and much is left unresolved about
who is responsible.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
13. Statement from Rabbis for Human Rights:
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jul 2014

snip* Statement from Rabbi Arik Ascherman, president of Rabbis for Human Rights:

I hope that the investigation of the appalling murder of the young boy, Mohammed Abu Khdeir, peace be upon him, will be concluded successfully as soon as possible and that the guilty parties will be severely punished. We value the police force’s speedy action in this matter, and regret the police’s limited involvement of the murder victim’s family in the investigation, if this was in fact the case. As much as we share in the desire to see justice dealt swiftly to the perpetrators, we caution that the rights of the suspects must not be violated, including the right to legal counsel.

We welcome the voices fiercely condemning the murder from members of the government, after having heard radically different voices from ministers including the Prime Minister which expressed a general message of vengeance. Our leaders condemn personal vengeance, but support state vengeance. We, on the other hand, rule out collective state vengeance as well. It is permissible and obligatory to defend civilians and apprehend those responsible for crimes committed, but when we say, “G-d will avenge their blood,” this does not grant permission to take revenge, but rather states that only G-d is permitted to do so. It is superfluous to add that, just as Racheli Fraenkel said that “Murder is murder,” so too revenge is revenge, and it is forbidden – both acts of vengeance by Jews against Palestinians or by Palestinians against Jews.

The fact that it is now becoming clear that the motive for the murder of Abu Khdeir was nationalistic and the crime was committed by Jews, concerns us as an organization which fears for the moral face of the Jewish people.

We are also following with concern developments in the appalling murder of Sheli Dadon, of blessed memory, and hope that this investigation will conclude successfully. In this case as well, if there was in fact a nationalistic motive for the murder, we as Palestinians and Jews who wish to live together must fiercely condemn it.

We send our condolences to the families of the murdered and express our deep pain at their loss.

snip* We also call for the protection of the basic rights of the accused – during investigation, in court, and after sentencing.

http://rhr.org.il/eng/2014/07/outrage-over-recent-murders-motivated-by-nationalism/

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