Police stand firm on banning Yehuda Glick from Temple Mount

[Israeli]

Out of hospital after attempted hit on his life, religious activist appeals against condition of his release after August arrest over alleged assault at holy site.

By Nir Hasson

The Israel Police continues to oppose allowing Yehuda Glick to visit the Temple Mount, its representative told the Jerusalem District Court Sunday during deliberations on the right-wing activist’s appeal of the ban.

The ban against Glick’s entering the area predates the assassination attempt he survived in late October as he emerged from a conference in Jerusalem about the Temple Mount. The prohibition was a condition of his release on bail after he was arrested in August on suspicion of assaulting a member of the Muslim women’s guard at the site, whose Arabic name is Haram al-Sharif, the noble sanctuary. The risk such a visit would pose to public order “has increased since the assassination attempt, not decreased,” the police representative told the court.

Some two weeks before he was shot, Glick was charged with pushing Ziva Badarna, 67, during a visit to the Temple Mount in late August. According to the charge sheet, the two were arguing when Glick shoved Badarna, causing her to fall and break her arm.

The Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court granted the police request that Glick be barred from the Temple Mount for the duration of the legal proceedings against him.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.629303

[JDPriestly]

1. I don't understand this conflict about Al-Aqsa mosque and the Temple Mount.

A DUer told me that Mohammed is supposed to have visited the place.

What did Mohammed visit? The Al Aqsa mosque or the Temple Mount.

If Mohammed visited the place when it was the Temple Mount before the Al Aqsa mosque was built, why shouldn't Jews visit it?

I'm not suggesting that any person who committed a violent act there or concerning the area should be allowed to visit it. I'm just asking in general.

Didn't Mohammed visit it because it was the Temple Mount? Why then so much fuss over what was built on the Temple Mount after Mohammed's visit? Did Mohammed want the Al Aqsa mosque to be built there? What is the story on this. It makes no sense to me that there is such a controversy about this place.

But then I was raised a Protestant and am a Unitarian, and for me God is everywhere and anywhere and not especially in certain geographical locations although some geographical location are valued because of what happened there. But the fact that I am Protestant did not prevent me from visiting the Vatican (although I did think when I was there about the suffering my ancestors went through thanks to the Catholic Church, I don't hold that against St. Peters. Seeing the Pieta before it was damaged was one of the greatest moments in my life. It was incredibly beautiful).

Basically,, why so much division over a place. Aren't the relationships between people, isn't our common humanness more important than a place? Does God really want people fighting to keep others out of a place that is supposed to be holy? Makes no sense to me. Please explain.

[Israeli]

2. Makes no sense to me either JDPriestly....

Ref : " Basically,, why so much division over a place. Aren't the relationships between people, isn't our common humanness more important than a place? Does God really want people fighting to keep others out of a place that is supposed to be holy? Makes no sense to me. Please explain."

You are asking the wrong person ..... I'm an atheist JDPriestly , I dont believe in your God or any God .

This might help :
http://972mag.com/why-religious-jews-are-divided-over-the-temple-mount/99090/

or not .

[Enthusiast]

3. I'm with you, JDPriestly.

[BlueMTexpat]

4. While I am a recovering Catholic-current agnostic and really don't

believe in any of this nonsense for myself, obviously there are those who do.

The problem is not so much with sincere believers in general, however, as with strident minorities of believers who believe that their own beliefs are the ONLY correct ones. Generally, those beliefs are exclusive rather than inclusive. Such types can be found in all religions and I find their beliefs equally abhorrent.

I believe that the key words in this situation are not "Jews" or "Jewish" but rather "known," "right-wing" and "activist."

It has been my own experience that any person who is respectful can visit not only the Temple Mount but the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, regardless of religious belief or lack of one. I have visited and have been respectful there, just as I try to be respectful in ANY place that is considered sacred.

Here's one bit of history about the Temple Mount and Islam: http://www.templemount.org/allah.html Here's another about the Temple Mount generally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount The Temple Mount is considered to be holy by all religions "Of the Book," i.e., Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Given the general atmosphere of the always festering, never improving highly inflammable I-P situation, as well as the fact that many current RW Jewish depictions of the Temple Mount in Israel deliberately omit both the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock (these I have seen for myself), I can understand why this particular deliberately provocative RW activist is not allowed to go there. It is neither his religion nor his ethnicity that is the problem. The problem is with his own actions ... and with those who would emulate them and cheer him on.

[JDPriestly]

8. OK. So what I suspected is true. According to the story, Mohammed is believed to have had

a spiritual experience of being taken to the Temple Mount, and therefore someone erected a mosque there to commemorate Mohammed's spiritual experience.

But it was the Temple Mount that Mohammed visited, not the mosque itself. It's the Temple Mount that was sacred enough that Mohammed was transported there. And people fight over who goes there? Clearly the Temple Mount was and is the destination of the spiritual journey. The mosque was built to honor that spiritual journey. Fighting about who and what should be there is just absurd and desecrates the spiritual nature of the journey in my opinion. Of course, who am I? That is just my opinion.

Seems to me the controversy makes those who indulge in it look really bad and is what is desecrating the site.

I agree all activists who want to be violent there should be kept out.

[Mosby]

10. This article will explain a lot

The truth is that the Muslim view of the Temple Mount and J'lem through the years is more due to politics than religion.

How Jerusalem Became Islam's 'Third Holiest City'

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/how_jerusalem_became_islams_third_holiest_city.html

[King_David]

11. Yes

And now both sides becoming more intransigent.

Unbelievable it's about the right to pray...

In 2014

[JDPriestly]

14. Very interesting.

[azurnoir]

12. Rabbinical rulings on the Temple Mount or Haram al Sharif as (the Noble Sanctuary)

Jews forbidden from going to Temple Mount, says chief Sephardi rabbi

Israel's Sephardi chief rabbi said on Friday that it is forbidden for Jews to go to the Temple Mount.

“This is the place to call on the esteemed public to stop this incitement, from here a call is heard, forbidding any Jews from going up to the Temple Mount – From here a call is heard to stop this so that the blood of the People of Israel may stop being spilled,” Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef said.

Speaking at the funeral of Shalom Aharon Badani, the second casualty of Wednesday's terror attack in Jerusalem on Friday, Yosef blamed rabbis that allow Jews to go to the holy site for "adding fuel to the fire."

He used harsh terms to rebuke rabbis who call on Jews to go to the holy site, which contradicts the overwhelming majority of halakhic authorities that forbid entry to the Temple Mount compound to Jews because of its holiness. This is also the position of the Chief Rabbinate.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.625233

Leading rabbis rule Temple Mount is off-limits to Jews

Chief rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Moshe Amar, and a number of important rabbinical figures associated with the national religious world, have issued a halakhic ruling reiterating that it is forbidden for Jews to enter any part of the Temple Mount in our times. A similar halakhic ruling was issued a few months after the Six-Day War in 1967.

The current ruling was signed also by former chief rabbis Ovadia Yosef, Avraham Shapira, Eliahu Bakshi-Doron, the rabbi of the Western Wall, and heads of well-known national religious-oriented yeshivas.

It is seen as a blow to the members of the Temple Mount movements who have been trying for years to get a wider circle of rabbis to endorse the present-day entry of Jews to the holy site.

The ruling points out that Jews must avoid the entire site of the Temple Mount.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/leading-rabbis-rule-temple-mount-is-off-limits-to-jews-1.147456

[King_David]

17. I do not think Rabbinical rulings or Islamic religious rulings

Should have any bearing on freedom of ALL religions in 2014.

[King_David]

5. Apparently Jews are allowed to visit but not allowed to pray there

Which is ridiculous all in of itself .

That ban makes people determined to do it and others just as determined to stop it.

In 2014 it's totally ludicrous.

What a stupid thing to fight and kill about there's plenty enough room for anyone to "pray" if they so wanted to.

[azurnoir]

13. Perhaps you should complain to Israel's cheif Rabbi's who have ruled Jews are forbidden at all

on the Temple Mount/Haram al Sharif (Noble Sanctuary)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489057#post12

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

6. The Noble Sanctuary

is where Mohamed allegedly ascended to heaven. It is interesting the different names of the place. It is very beautiful.

[bemildred]

7. Dogma trumps reason. nt

[King_David]

15. +1

[King_David]

9. Kick

[BlueMTexpat]

16. I have never really understood such a fierce

attraction to any physical place so that one is ready to kill or be killed in order to prevent others from visiting and/or enjoying the pleasure of that place.

If it is really true that God (by whatever name) is everywhere, sincere believers ought to be able pray anywhere and anytime, but always politely and with respect towards others. This also generally means without ostentation.

I can certainly understand why some places might be considered sacred by some, especially given the historical and cultural backgrounds of those places and persons, and why a religious experience in such places could be considered to be more uplifting there than in other places. But I cannot understand - and never will - why some deliberately incite religiously-based passions towards violence - especially in such places - other than that those persons are at best mean-spirited. At worst, they are enacting deliberate political agendas and are not "inspired" by religion at all. Religion for them serves merely as "cover" for exclusionary, racist and bigoted political agendas.

This is all the more reason for ALL persons to use common sense and common courtesy - both of which seem to be in short supply among too many, and especially in this situation.

The most sacred and mystical single place that I have ever visited, btw, is Machu Picchu in Peru, which I had the very great fortune to visit in September. Even without being religious, one is literally transported to something beyond self there. Being transported beyond self is as close as I will ever again get to being religious. But it is also why I can never be in complete denial about something greater than the physical world that we see.

While I have also had the pleasure and privilege of visiting the Temple Mount, I was not nearly so moved there as I was in Machu Picchu, in part because of the current political situation in Jerusalem. All those, no matter who, whose actions cause controversy or exclusion there are the ones who continue to demean the sacredness of the Temple Mount for all.