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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 04:18 PM Jul 2014

Psychedelic mushrooms put your brain in a “waking dream,” study finds

Psychedelic mushrooms can do more than make you see the world in kaleidoscope. Research suggests they may have permanent, positive effects on the human brain.

In fact, a mind-altering compound found in some 200 species of mushroom is already being explored as a potential treatment for depression and anxiety. People who consume these mushrooms, after “trips” that can be a bit scary and unpleasant, report feeling more optimistic, less self-centered, and even happier for months after the fact.

But why do these trips change the way people see the world? According to a study published today in Human Brain Mapping, the mushroom compounds could be unlocking brain states usually only experienced when we dream, changes in activity that could help unlock permanent shifts in perspective.

The study examined brain activity in those who’d received injections of psilocybin, which gives “shrooms” their psychedelic punch. Despite a long history of mushroom use in spiritual practice, scientists have only recently begun to examine the brain activity of those using the compound, and this is the first study to attempt to relate the behavioral effects to biological changes.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/07/03/psychedelic-drugs-put-your-brain-in-a-waking-dream-study-finds/?tid=sm_fb

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Psychedelic mushrooms put your brain in a “waking dream,” study finds (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
Where can I sign up? LiberalEsto Jul 2014 #1
Most psychedelics have a similar effect Warpy Jul 2014 #2
did my last psilocybin at 60 heaven05 Jul 2014 #10
you can learn to lucid dream without drugs roguevalley Jul 2014 #13
Agree pleinair Jul 2014 #18
exactly roguevalley Jul 2014 #20
Have you ever eaten a magic mushroom? delrem Jul 2014 #23
of course you can. check it out on the web. I don't do drugs of any kind roguevalley Jul 2014 #25
Sorry, you're claiming to make a comparison that you said you cannot make. nt delrem Jul 2014 #26
i dont understand what you are saying. sorry. roguevalley Jul 2014 #29
You haven't the experience. You cannot claim an experiential judgement. delrem Jul 2014 #30
BWAHAHAHAAHA! You have never lucid dreamed without drugs. "You cannot roguevalley Jul 2014 #31
You lie! delrem Jul 2014 #32
I'm wondering whether people who used these drugs in the 60's were already headed into hedgehog Jul 2014 #15
It was the only difference they found between drug explorers Warpy Jul 2014 #16
Disagree pleinair Jul 2014 #17
It's not exclusionary. Warpy Jul 2014 #19
sounds good to me Skittles Jul 2014 #3
I love science. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #4
Every day my life and outlook are changed because of my psychedelic experiences NBachers Jul 2014 #5
Can the "news" get any more weird? SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2014 #6
The brain and outer space are the last frontiers of science, explore them with all tools available Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7
yeah they do heaven05 Jul 2014 #8
That's why such psychedelics are illegal, not the "danger". rickyhall Jul 2014 #9
The picture in that article of "dried mushrooms" looks like morels to me... AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2014 #11
I didn't put that smiley face in the link, and the bottom isn't blue and connected ??? AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2014 #12
It's called hypnagogia. longship Jul 2014 #14
Does this mean mzteris Jul 2014 #21
Nixon Knew Octafish Jul 2014 #22
The Cure for Conservatism... nikto Jul 2014 #24
This one time Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
yup... santa knew lapfog_1 Jul 2014 #28

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
2. Most psychedelics have a similar effect
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014

I know I found the experience in the 60s to be transformative on a very basic level. I also found it quite a bit easier to achieve deeper meditation levels more quickly, something that has stayed with me. If they were legal tomorrow, would I do it again? Probably not. However, I am delighted to have done it in the 60s.

They did a long term study of old 60s acid/peyote/psilocybin users and found only one difference: the drug veterans tended to cluster in medicine at all levels, social work, teaching, and other professions that required person to person interaction. They tended to avoid the more business oriented professions.

Nothing in your article is a surprise, in other words.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. did my last psilocybin at 60
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jul 2014

great to feel that peace again. Will do it again when able. Peyote is the same with me. They free. LSD I didn't like. I found the natural(s) are safe, the 'created' shit has human hands all over it, dangerous. Cocaine, heroin ect, dangerous to the human spirit and body as all hell.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
23. Have you ever eaten a magic mushroom?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jul 2014

I have, and there's no way I could "learn" how to have such an experience at will, without the mushroom.

I don't see how it would be possible.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
25. of course you can. check it out on the web. I don't do drugs of any kind
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:26 AM
Jul 2014

It is a choice of mine based on the history of my family and a desire to be self aware on my own.

Lucid dreaming is comparable. It just takes practice. Check it out. You might like it.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
31. BWAHAHAHAAHA! You have never lucid dreamed without drugs. "You cannot
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jul 2014

claim an experiential judgement. End of story."

Nice one. It never ends my amazement how people can claim the final word when they have the same problem as the person they are putting down. Lucid dreaming is amazing. You can lucid dream without drugs. I never said the total experience was the same. You just shot your own argument in the face. Nice going. Keep requiring of other people that which you don't have yourself.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
32. You lie!
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jul 2014

I did not say "you have never lucid dreamed without drugs".

I'm sure you have, or think you have. Whatever that means.

But you have said that you've never ingested magic mushrooms, so you lack the experience to compare the experiences.

I hope you can come down from your laughter high long enough to actually think through what I'm saying.

Bye.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
15. I'm wondering whether people who used these drugs in the 60's were already headed into
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 06:31 AM
Jul 2014

those professions, more a case of correlation than cause and effect.

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
16. It was the only difference they found between drug explorers
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jul 2014

and a sober test group. Otherwise, there is no difference in belief systems, marriage and divorce, incarceration rates, and so on and so forth.

The study was done in the 80s and I recall there was a very marked difference between the two groups in profession.

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
19. It's not exclusionary.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jul 2014

Look at the words, again, like "tend" and "cluster"

Obviously you misunderstood the whole post.

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
5. Every day my life and outlook are changed because of my psychedelic experiences
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jul 2014

I haven't tripped in a long time.

I haven't had my last trip, but I don't know when my next one will be.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,118 posts)
6. Can the "news" get any more weird?
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jul 2014

I already feel like I'm living in an alternate universe from the one I grew up in.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
9. That's why such psychedelics are illegal, not the "danger".
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jul 2014

One of the reasons pot's illegal. They cause us to see and think in other, unapproved ways. They make us realize life is for living not chasing the almighty dollar. IMHO.

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. It's called hypnagogia.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jul 2014
Hypnagogia is a brain state where the brain is between the REM (dream) state and wakefulness. The part of the brain that paralyzes you while dreaming is still active; as are your dreams. But you have woken up so that you are conscious. You see things because you are dreaming, but cannot move for the same reason.

It is a common neurological state which happens to nearly everybody. They're called hypnagogic dreams and they can scare the shit out of you if you aren't aware of what's happening. The commonly happen in the morning and often when one is sleep deprived.

Interesting. Not surprised that mushrooms could do that, too.

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
21. Does this mean
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jul 2014

"Conversely, the subjects of the study had decreased activity in other parts of the brain—areas associated with high level cognition. “These are the most recent parts of our brain, in an evolutionary sense,” Carhart-Harris said. “And we see them getting quieter and less organized.”

what I think it means?

I - for one - wouldn't be emtirely averse to considering a treatment of this nature, but that statement bothers me. While being less anxious/depressed, etc., would be great, I think "high level cognition" a valuable trait one wouldn't want to lose.

Am I missing something in the article?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
27. This one time
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 05:50 AM
Jul 2014

I was in Woolworths. They had a cactus selection. Lo and behold they had six large fat specimens of San Pedro cacti. I bought 'em up. That was many years ago and my most recent experience with Psychedelics. I found the experience to be quite extraordinary even though I puked.

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