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diane in sf

(3,913 posts)
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:02 PM Jan 2015

Unvaccinated not always to blame for disease outbreaks

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"Over the past few years, parents of unvaccinated children have been publicly blamed for increasing cases of B. pertussis whooping cough and deaths.

This despite the fact that even the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) admits that the rise in reported whooping cough cases cannot be blamed on unvaccinated children because "they are not the driving force behind the large scale outbreaks and epidemics."1

Going back decades, rates of whooping cough have been nearly identical in countries with high and low vaccination rates. And according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pertussis vaccination rates in the U.S. have remained stable or have increased since 1992.

It's important to realize that the pertussis vaccine has never conferred lifelong immunity to whooping cough—even after multiple doses.2

Other viruses and bacteria, such as parapertussis and RSV (which are not covered by the vaccine) can also be clinically misdiagnosed as pertussis if proper lab tests are not performed, while many cases of pertussis are never diagnosed by doctors or reported to the CDC.

Most importantly, researchers are now realizing that B. pertussis bacteria have evolved and become vaccine resistant. It is reminiscent of the way that bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, thanks to the massive overuse of antibiotics in food production...."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/01/13/whooping-cough-bacteria-evolves.aspx?e_cid=20150113Z1_DNL_NonBuyer_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20150113Z1-NonBuyer&et_cid=DM64763&et_rid=803988193

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Unvaccinated not always to blame for disease outbreaks (Original Post) diane in sf Jan 2015 OP
You're citing Mercola's publication? Seriously? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #1
K&R X 1000 !!! Citing this crap as legitimate COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #2
So vaccines are to blame? GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #3
In the Land of Woo SwankyXomb Jan 2015 #4
If you believe that fraud Mercola Warpy Jan 2015 #5
Mercola needs to be in prison. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2015 #6
Thanks for reminding me!!! rocktivity Jan 2015 #7
Mercola is not reputable. Please delete this post. It is the right thing to do. HuckleB Jan 2015 #8
If you want to share this information, Chemisse Jan 2015 #9
Locking Chemisse Jan 2015 #10

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,687 posts)
1. You're citing Mercola's publication? Seriously?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:10 PM
Jan 2015

Mercola, the woo-promoting quack who was ordered by the FDA to stop making illegal claims for the useless "health" products sold through his web site? The guy who opposes immunization and sells worthless homeopathic remedies at inflated prices? That guy?

Really?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
2. K&R X 1000 !!! Citing this crap as legitimate
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jan 2015

scientific discussion is beyond irresponsible. Perhaps we can get a few quotes from Jenny McCarthy to round out the discussion. Unbelievable.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
3. So vaccines are to blame?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jan 2015

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
4. In the Land of Woo
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jan 2015

the vaccines are always to blame.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
5. If you believe that fraud Mercola
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jan 2015

you'll believe anything. Got some beachfront property to sell you here in NM, you don't have to look at it, you can trust me..

All Mercola's crapola is based on http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/20/4/13-1478_article that cites a mutation in bordatella pertussis making it resistant to the vaccine, most information coming from Australia.

The woo merchants who want to sell their herbs and vitamins took that and ran with it but so far, Mercola is the only liar that says you can get the live disease from a dead vaccine.

Obviously, a new pertussis vaccine will have to be developed down the line as resistant strains have a nasty habit of spreading. As of now, the disease itself is being carried by unvaccinated children and adults.

Measles and mumps are also making a comeback, thanks to irresponsible and untruthful sites like Mercola. The vaccine prevents those diseases. The real diseases here are the ignorance and stupidity displayed by anyone who thinks a quack like Mercola has anything at all to say.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
6. Mercola needs to be in prison.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jan 2015

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
7. Thanks for reminding me!!!
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)

My boss had me put a Mercola infographic about the dangers of sugar on our New Jersey health blog, but as fellow New Jersey-ite Bruce Springsteen would say, he ain't my boss no more...

http://yourhhrsnews.com/weight-control/


rocktivity

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. Mercola is not reputable. Please delete this post. It is the right thing to do.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jan 2015

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
9. If you want to share this information,
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jan 2015

About the resistance of whooping cough strains to the vaccine, etc, you should delete this post and make a new OP using a reputable source.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
10. Locking
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

This source is not appropriate for Health.

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