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Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:43 AM Mar 2013

The ONLY Requirement (you don't have to adopt ANYone's beliefs to recover)

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All emphasis shown in the below is mine.


[font size=4, color=blue]# Tradition 3 (also part of the A.A. Preamble):[/font] " The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. "

[font size=4, color=blue]# Tradition 3, Long form: [/font] "Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought AA membership ever depend upon money OR CONFORMITY. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation."

[font size=4, color=blue]# From Tradition 3 in the "Twelve Steps & Twelve Traditions" book (p. 139, 143) [/font]
( http://www.aa.org/twelveandtwelve/en_pdfs/en_tradition3.pdf ) <-link good 2/22/13, but can't copy and paste from.

"This Tradition is packed with meaning. For A.A. is really saying to every serious drinker, "You are an A.A. member if you say so. You can declare yourself in; nobody can keep you out. No matter who you are, no matter how low you've gone, no matter how grave your emotional complications - even your crimes - we still can't deny you A.A. We don't want to keep you out. We aren't a bit afraid you'll harm us, never mind how twisted or violent you may be. We just want to be sure that you get the same great chance for sobriety that we've had. So you're an A.A. member the minute you declare yourself. "

...

"Not long after the man with the double stigma knocked for admission, A.A.'s other group received into its membership a salesman we shall call Ed. ... He had at least an idea a minute on how to improve A.A. ... But he had one idea that wasn't so salable. Ed was an atheist. His pet obsession was that A.A. could get along better without its 'God nonsense.' He browbeat everybody, and everybody expected that he'd soon get drunk ... Distressingly enough, Ed proceeded to stay sober.

"... The elders led Ed aside. They said firmly, “You can’t talk like this around here. You’ll have to quit it or get out.” ... {Ed} read aloud, “The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.” Relentlessly, Ed went on, “When you guys wrote that sentence, did you mean it, or didn’t you?” Dismayed, the elders looked at one another; for they knew he had them cold. So Ed stayed."

So if someone tries to censure you or say you have to talk only "program talk" (or post only "program" posts in online 12-step support groups), you can point out this simple tradition to them. If it is still not clear to them:

[font size=4, color=blue]# From Bill W. in the 1946 Grapevine[/font], also printed in the book, "The Language of the Heart: Bill W's Grapevine Writings", pp 32-33. © The AA Grapevine, Inc:

"Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA Group. This clearly implies that an alcoholic is a member if he says so; that we can't deny him his membership; that we can't demand from him a cent; that we can't force our beliefs or practices upon him; that he may flout everything we stand for and still be a member. In fact, our Tradition carries the principle of independence for the individual to such an apparently fantastic length that, so long as there is the slightest interest in sobriety, the most unmoral, the most anti-social, the most critical alcoholic may gather about him a few kindred spirits and announce to us that a new Alcoholics Anonymous Group has been formed. Anti-God, anti-medicine, anti-our Recovery Program, even anti-each other— these rampant individuals are still an AA Group if they think so!"

The first sentence of the above is also in the Long Form of Tradition 3

The entire Grapevine article is at: http://silkworth.net/pdfBillW/The-Individual-In-Relation-to-AA-as-a-Group-July-1946.pdf It is also included in the book, "The Language of the Heart: Bill W's Grapevine Writings", pp 32-33. © The AA Grapevine, Inc.


[font size=4, color=blue]# Concept V In the Twelve Concepts of World Service upholds the right of minority opinions to be heard -- thoroughly [/font]
( http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-8_thetwelveconetps.pdf ) (scroll to Concept V)


[font size=4, color=blue]# You must work all the steps exactly as in the Big Book, even if you have to 'fake it' - NOT according to A.A. [/font]

In spite of all of the above, if someone insists you have to "work the steps", and if you don't agree with a step, that you must "fake it until you make it" ---

First point out that A.A. is a program of RIGOROUS HONESTY (chapter 5, How It Works" first paragraph, chapter 10, To Employers, p. 145). Point out that "fake" is not a word to be found in the Big Book (at least not in the first eleven chapters). Tell them that faking anything -- whether your program or your sobriety status -- is detrimental to your recovery. Tell them that from your observations, those who are dishonest with themselves and their group seem to have the highest failure rates. Explain to them that lying to yourself and others is what got you into this mess in the first place, and then again point to Tradition 3. And to the below:

[font size=2]# Bill W.: "AA's Twelve Steps were to be suggestions only" ... "regardless of their belief or lack of belief"[/font]
- "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age", page 167

"Who first suggested the actual compromise words I do not know, but they are words well-known throughout the length and breadth of AA today: In Step Two we decided to describe God as a "Power greater than ourselves." In Steps Three and Eleven we inserted the words "God as we understood him." From Step Seven we deleted the expression "on our knees." And, as a lead-in sentence to all the steps we wrote the words: "Here are the steps we took which are suggested as a Program of Recovery." AA's Twelve Steps were to be suggestions only."

"Such were the final concessions to those of little or no faith; [font color=brown]this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics[/font]. They had widened our gateway so that all who suffer might pass through, regardless of their belief or lack of belief."


[font size=2]# How It Works, Chapter 5: "Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery"[/font]

(Many groups read the first 2 1/2 pages of this chapter at every meeting, which includes the above words followed immediately with the steps themselves, without any title. Interestingly, nowhere else in the Big Book do the steps appear, not in any of the prefaces or appendices, nowhere)

[font size=2]# "Our Twelve Steps to recovery are suggestions; the Twelve Traditions which guarantee A.A.'s unity contain not a single 'Don't'. They repeadtedly say 'We ought ...' but never 'You Must'". [/font] - 12 X 12 Tradition One p. 129

[font size=2]# "First, Alcoholics Anonymous does not demand that you believe anything. All of its Twelve Steps are but suggestions". [/font] - 12 X 12 Step 2 p. 26.

[font size=2]# Bill W. on Buddhists replacing "God" with "good" - "A.A.’s Steps are suggestions only. A belief in them, as they stand, is not at all a requirement for membership" [/font]- An Excerpt From Alcoholics Anonymous Comes Of Age(page 81)

"A poignant story comes from the book AA Comes of Age. In the mid 1950s AA’s reach extended to alcoholics around the world. Bill Wilson, co-founder of AA, was quite clear about liberty for individual AA groups in his “Chapter on Unity” from A. A. Comes of Age. On page 81 he talks about Buddhists who said that they would like to be part of AA, but also would like to replace the word “god” with “good” so that the practice of the Steps would be compatible with their atheistic belief. In 1957, Bill Wilson writes:

“To some of us, the idea of substituting ‘good’ for ‘God’ in the Twelve Steps will seem like a watering down of A.A.’s message. But here we must remember that A.A.’s Steps are suggestions only. A belief in them, as they stand, is not at all a requirement for membership among us. This liberty has made A.A. available to thousands who never would have tried at all had we insisted on the Twelve Steps just as written.” -- Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age pg. 81, reprinted with permission of A.A. World Service Inc.


[font size=2]# Rewording The Steps In The Big Book - "Doctor, Alcoholic, Addict" redid each of the Twelve Steps specifically with his wife in mind, [/font]

"from the First, saying, 'I am powerless over alcohol, and my homelife is unmanageable by me,' to the Twelfth, in which I tried to think of her as a sick Al-Anon and treat her with the love I would give a sick A.A. newcomer. When I do this, we get along fine." -- "Doctor, Alcoholic, Addict" in 3rd Edition, p. 452, "Acceptance Was The Answer" in 4th Edition p. 420.


[font size=2]# "The absence of rules, regulations, or musts is one of the unique features of AA as a local group and as a worldwide fellowship"[/font]. - 44 Questions, p .16

[font size=2]# "No one has to do anything in AA" [/font] - 44 Questions, p. 24 [emphasis in the original]

[font size=2]# "Acceptance of the 'Twelve Steps' is not mandatory in any sense".[/font] - 44 Questions, p. 27

[font size=2]# "We must never compel anyone to pay anything, believe anything, or conform to anything"[/font] - Tradition 3, 12 X 12, p. 141

[font size=2]# "The full liberty to practice any creed or principle or therapy should be a first consideration. Hence let us not pressure anyone with individual or even collective views"[/font] -- Bill W., Address to the 1965 General Conference.

"In AA we are supposed to be bound together in the kinship of a universal suffering. Therefore the full liberty to practice any creed or principle or therapy should be a first consideration. Hence let us not pressure anyone with individual or even collective views. Let us instead accord to each other the respect that is due to every human being as he tries to make his way towards the light. Let us always try to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Let us remember that each alcoholic among us is a member of AA, so long as he or she so declares."


[font size=2]# “...the A.A. program of recovery is based on certain spiritual values. Individual members are free to interpret these values as they think best, or not to think about them at all.[/font] - From “Members of the Clergy Ask About Alcoholics Anonymous" First printed 1961, updated 1996 http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-25_membersoftheclergyaskaboutaa.pdf

[font size=4, color= blue]# You are doomed to jail, institutions, or death unless you find your Higher Power - NOT according to A.A. [/font]

[font size=2]# "they appreciate that some alcoholics have been able to achieve and maintain sobriety without any belief in a personal Higher Power"[/font] - "Questions & Answers on Sponsorship", p. 23
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The ONLY Requirement (you don't have to adopt ANYone's beliefs to recover) (Original Post) progree Mar 2013 OP
excellent! NMDemDist2 Mar 2013 #1
I looked at this a couple or three times...it is terrific..shows tremendous work and effort.. Stuart G Mar 2013 #2
Thanks for the complements. I'm glad it went over well progree Mar 2013 #3
No controversy with me..nope.. Stuart G Mar 2013 #4
Yup. Similarly in Minneapolis progree Mar 2013 #5

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. I looked at this a couple or three times...it is terrific..shows tremendous work and effort..
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:03 PM
Mar 2013

I scrolled this up and around..looking at almost all the questions and underlines. Many comments that you made and points that you made about the inclusiveness of the program..I am not sure that I have ever seen so much work on tradition 3. Thank you for your time and effort.. Sorry this comment is so late. Your work on this is outstanding in every way..Thank you again...
.I am kinda slow on some responces...
.... forgive me...Stuart..

progree

(10,904 posts)
3. Thanks for the complements. I'm glad it went over well
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:12 AM
Mar 2013

Too many groups -- in my experience and from what I hear on email lists -- think there are lots of additional requirements, akin to boot camp.

I was set off by reading in the MIRUS (The Minneapolis AA Intergroup's Newsletter) a reposting of some Grapevine article that said:

"All of us know members who suffered from both alcoholism and drug addiction. These people have always been welcome as long as Alcohol is the primary problem."
{{emphasis mine}}

I wrote them one heck of an email suggesting they take a look at Tradition 3 again. Tradition 3 is not some starting point for groups adding additional requirements. It doesn't say "Tradition 3 - One of our requirements is a desire to stop drinking". I never got a response back.

On the dual-addicted, by the way, I read something on the wall of one of the Alano clubs a letter from GSO or somesuch that the dual-addicted are welcome as A.A. members (so long as they have a desire to stop drinking), but to keep the focus on alcohol in our shares. I have no problem with that, given the Primary Purpose and that the organization is named ALCOHOLICS Anonymous.

(I hope I'm not setting off a controversy, I really don't mean too).

Thanks for the 3/26/13 email, Stuart, very much appreciated.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
4. No controversy with me..nope..
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:56 AM
Mar 2013

I am one of those "dual addicdted ones" So I recall being welcomed at the club where I go. Actually I was addicted to powerful prescriptions drugs. But I found a few people like me hooked and recovered on the same class of drugs and I was welcomed. I might add, about 20 years ago there was disagreement on this, people took stands and in the grapevine there were articles which I found in some stash of old mags. Some articles said...no people like me. It all changed..At least in the Chicago area...Now, as long as you have a desire, most groups don't care...You gotta say..I am an acholoic,,,but even that doesn't matter much..I say I am an addict achololic...so what???

I lead meetings a couple of days a week. And some people say..." I am an addict" as the leader, I really don't care who they are..for me, there really is only one requirement...and you wouldn't believe what it is...My rule is....."don't talk too long.." that is it.. As long as you keep your talk reasonable, not on and on...I don't care..(and it can't really condemn the program or be totally disruptive)..Like, "the program sucks...etc."...Why?

I want everyone to get a chance to speak, at least some...so all can feel somewhat included... sometimes, people really got to talk about important stuff..to stay clean..for example...someone in the family might be ill or dieing...or someone is really shaky that day..they need to speak as much as the totally clean and sober person....that is my philosophy as a group leader...and no one has ever questioned it..I volunteer at a AA club..and mostly..if they don't like the way I do it...(it is really only twice a week) well...they go to another meeting...I have seen so much pain and suffering in the rooms...of AA, OA, and others that if talking for a few minutes will help..so what...??? so I don't agree with what they say.....so they don't work the steps perfectly...so they don't believe in God..they wouldn't be the first, and they won't be the last................Stuart...oh........one more thing....

Let us suppose there really is some kind higher power trying to help us get through today...and it is a feeling of love and acceptance of our pain and suffering, and help and kindness................so.... let us assume that is it ........ok???now if we could talk to it...and we can't but if we could....what would that higher power say about this issue??????. I believe it would say..."Include them all.."..end of discussion........

progree

(10,904 posts)
5. Yup. Similarly in Minneapolis
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 11:44 PM
Mar 2013

[font color = blue]Stuart>>Now, as long as you have a desire, most groups don't care...You gotta say..I am an acholoic,,,but even that doesn't matter much..I say I am an addict achololic...so what??? [/font]

I hear addict alcoholic and alcoholic addict a lot in Minneapolis area. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the people.

[font color = blue]Stuart>>And some people say..." I am an addict" as the leader, I really don't care who they are[/font]

I hear "I'm an addict" too quite a lot. Like you, I don't let it bother me, and have never heard anyone confronted about it during the meeting, and if they were confronted about it outside of the meeting, I've never heard about it either.

Some people (in closed meetings as well as open) just give their names without giving themselves a label. I don't worry about that either, Tradition 3 does not require someone to label themselves an alcoholic. In fact I appreciate people who have the courage to not go along with every group norm. I don't believe that everyone who has a desire to stop drinking but hasn't so far succeeded on their own is an "alcoholic" (or "alcohol dependent" to use the DSM's term for alcoholic) and neither does the DSM. (Myself, I label myself an alcoholic since I've crossed a few other thresholds)

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