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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:32 PM Jun 2013

Screw that med.


I was going to say "forget that med" but "screw that med" was more what I was thinking. Actually what I was really thinking was "fuck that med" but I can't say that here.

I have guinea-pigged myself out for about 6 weeks on this newly-released (6 mos) FDA fast-tracked drug, Stivarga (I think it's regorafenib - who comes up with these names) that has made me the most miserable I've been in a long time. It's a oral chemo, but don't be deceived - I'd rather be back on the intravenous stuff. Within 4 to 5 days of starting it originally, I couldn't walk (serious blisters), talk (mouth sores, dry mouth, and vocal damage), quack or function. Blood pressure through the roof. Nausea and loss of appetite - I didn't eat for two full weeks. Because it's oral, it's the gift that keeps on giving, 'cause you take it every day.

So we stopped it, took about 10 days off, and restarted it at a half-dose. It took longer to ramp up, but by two weeks this time I couldn't walk again, talk, quack; I was eating but just every other day (and about a half sandwich at that), but still an improvement on the first time. However I was quickly miserable again.

So we've stopped it altogether. We'll do PET scans in a week or so and establish a baseline, and work from there. In theory we could go on a lower dose (or the same dose for not as long) but then we don't even know if it's going to have any therapeutic value at all (not even sure it did on this last round).

Med-free for at least a month - thank goodness. I couldn't take any more.
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Screw that med. (Original Post) Tab Jun 2013 OP
So sorry that you've experienced all those side effects. Looks like the sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #1
Did it do any good while it was torturing you? Evoman Jul 2013 #2
It's hard to tell Tab Jul 2013 #3

sinkingfeeling

(51,448 posts)
1. So sorry that you've experienced all those side effects. Looks like the
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jun 2013

drug is exactly what you need, but you seem to have had almost all of the possible problems.

Evoman

(8,040 posts)
2. Did it do any good while it was torturing you?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jul 2013

Did you see any shrinkage or lack of progression?

Hardly seems worth it if it isn't working at all anyways.

Right now, I'm back of Folfiri + Avastin, like you were. Dunno if you saw my last blog post, but my new oncologist gave me about a year to a year and a half before I'm toast, even on chemo.

I've thought about stopping chemo altogether, but he said if I took that option, I was looking at 6 to 8 months.

Who the fuck knows. I'm staying on the chemo for now, and for some reason, I'm handling it better than I did before. I still have horrible fatigue and I'm unable to work or even go out for a walk, but I'm living in a city where I have a lot more support from family and friends than I had in the last city I lived.

I've also started drinking Dandelion tea. I'm a big ass skeptic when it comes to natural cures and stuff like that, but there is some science behind the Dandelion tea, and it tastes pretty okay, so I'm trying it out. Also gonna start eating some weirdo mushrooms a relative of a friend of mine start taking for his cancer (he has brain cancer, and mets in just about every organ imaginable) and he has been doing great. Given two months, and he is still here two years later. Might as well, right?

Tab

(11,093 posts)
3. It's hard to tell
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

We did stereotactic radiation on the lungs and immediately thereafter did the Stivarga; the radiation certainly worked; I doubt the Stivarga had time to work - we discontinued it at full strength barely a week into it, and when we tried again at half dose, barely made it to two weeks. I don't see how that got me cleared - more inclined to attribute it to the radiation.

We're just playing it by ear - we'll see if it stays tamped down - right now we're just checking every 90 days. I assume it will come back, just don't know when. It's stage IV for chrissakes, I'd likely be deluding myself if I thought it was gone forever, butchaneverknow, however my body's enjoying the recuperation while it can get it.

Glad to hear you're doing well. I don't have a problem with natural cures (though I don't do them myself), although I get concerned where someone forgoes traditional treatment in lieu of natural-only - I think that's asking for trouble. Just today someone recommended I get shark cartilage and something else, because a friend has been giving it to the friend's wife for 12 years and their stage III hasn't come back. Good if it works, but I won't bet the boat on it. Ask Steve Jobs how that worked out for him.

That aside, I don't know that I have the cash for all these natural alternatives anyway - some are mucho expensive and insurance won't pick them up. However, for what insurance paid for my Stivarga ($12k/month) that could have been years of all kinds of natural stuff. Anyway....

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