NRA's model law invites tragedy

[SecularMotion]

This week, the Kentucky Senate passed a bill that would allow concealed-carry weapons permit holders to carry guns in bars, provided they don't consume alcohol. Currently, guns are banned,, under Kentucky law, in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

Described as "model legislation from the National Rifle Association" by the bill's sponsor, Sen. John Schickel, R-Union, Senate Bill 60 is moving on to the House of Representatives.

The Kentucky chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America believes this reckless bill puts public health and safety at risk by mixing guns and drinking, and puts Kentucky bar and restaurant owners at risk for significant liability issues if and when a shooting occurs at their establishments.

Reaction to the news of SB60 has been swift and decisive: Kentuckians — including bar owners, gun owners and concealed-carry permit holders — do not want guns in bars under any circumstance.

http://www.kentucky.com/2014/02/23/3104632/ky-voices-tracey-goodlet-says.html#storylink=cpy

[DetlefK]

1. Could a bar then refuse to serve alcoholic drinks to gun-owners?

[hack89]

2. It is unlikely they would know someone was carrying

it is called concealed carry for a reason.

[gejohnston]

5. in most states it is a felony to drink while armed

I'm sure Kentucky would have a similar provision.

[Jenoch]

3. Are there other states with similar laws?

If so, what has been their experience?

[Straw Man]

4. It has always been legal in New York.

Doesn't seem to be a problem.

The Sullivan Law was created to ensure that only cops and Tammany Hall goons would be armed. Keeping the latter out of saloons would have been impossible.

[ManiacJoe]

15. Legal in WA state with no problems.

We just have to keep the guns out of the "21 and older" parts of the restaurant/bar.

[gejohnston]

6. you always could in California

and even carry in a courtroom,
and Kentucky is wondering about bringing one in bars.

[SecularMotion]

7. The point here that all replies choose to ignore

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is the NRA writing and pushing legislation in opposition of many Kentuckians.

The NRA, ALEC, & Koch brothers are anti-democracy.

[Straw Man]

8. Ignore?

The point here that all replies choose to ignore

is the NRA writing and pushing legislation in opposition to the majority of Kentuckians.

The article says nothing about "the majority of Kentuckians." It quotes two people. That's not a majority unless the population of Kentucky is three.

[beevul]

9. Oh look!

The author of this OP-ED is none other than:


"We are still a non-partisan group," said Tracey Goodlett of Lebanon Junction, a Moms Demand Action co-leader.

http://www.whas11.com/community/blogs/political-blog/Moms-group-partners-with-progressive-Democrats-blasting-McConnell-on-gun-control-206331621.html

I'm shocked.

[DonP]

10. Once upon a time ... there was the "Million Mom March"

Until they couldn't get the time of day from the media and had some really embarrassing incidents where some of the the "Mom's" shot people. Then they "merged" with the Brady group and haven't been heard from in a decade.

They were going to change the world too.

Of course they weren't smart enough to sell out to Bloomberg for 30 pieces of silver and a golden parachute for the PR maven either.

[beevul]

12. Things aren't exactly going swimmingly more um...locally...either

Things aren't exactly going swimmingly more um...locally...either:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12626035

Dates back to 2012.


Which is part of the reason, I suspect, for the semi-recent trend in google dumps here.

[SecularMotion]

11. I've searched through articles that speak of opposition, but can't find numbers

so to be fair. I'll change majority to many.

[Straw Man]

13. Many. Many.

I've searched through articles that speak of opposition, but can't find numbers

so to be fair. I'll change majority to many.

"Many" as in "more than one"?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Perhaps there is a settlement...

...of Khoikhoi in Kentucky. In his book One, Two, Three... Infinity George Gamow mentioned that the Khoikhoi (referred to in the book as "Hottentots&quot have names for only four numbers. One, two three and 'many'.

[DonP]

16. I loved that book in HS

It was the first book that really expanded my thinking about math and probabilities. I remember that section; "1, 2, 3, many".

It was also the first place I ever saw - the "Infinite number of monkeys at the infinite number of typewriters... will eventually write Hamlet" and ... to keep it on topic the Bill of Rights too.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

19. We might have something here...

...to be or not to be that is the gisornifatz.

No, I guess not.

[Travis_0004]

17. It passed 30-4, it wasn't really a close vote.

Kentucky is a pretty friendly state when it comes to RKBA, so it doesn't suprise me that the vote would go this way. Elections have consequences. If you are not happy with the way a politician votes, then throw them out of office next election. Im guessing that most people in Kentucky support this law. If they don't, then they can get it changed next election. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

[spin]

18. That's fair and actually somewhat unusual on DU. ...

Most here refuse to admit that they are wrong or even inaccurate.

Of course that is not unusual in our nation today. Perhaps that is why we don't make any progress solving our problems.