Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumR I Senator tells pro gun rights gentleman to F*ck himself
In this video, a state senator tells a gentleman to fornicate himself.
Do you think this is an effective way to reach across the line and pass sensible gun control laws?
Or should perhaps the senator been a bit more polite to the gentleman?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Like any right wing propaganda piece out of context.
I hope your panties didn't get into too tight a wad.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)sabbat hunter
(6,835 posts)This is a very brief excerpt. I would like to see the entire thing, not just a 5-7 clip of it.
Infowars/alex jones are full of complete nutbags. So I cannot believe that this is an accurate representation of what happened.
sabbat hunter
(6,835 posts)the so called reporter was harassing various people leading up to the "go f yourself" incident.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/26/rhode-island-democrat-sorry-he-told-bullying-infowars-correspondent-to-go-fck-himself/
This same reporter harassed people after the Boston marathon bombing, with all sorts of conspiracy theories
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Yes, telling an Alex Jones nut case to go fuck himself was a completely appropriate response. It is not as if Infowars is known for treating others with respect so I see no reason for them to be outraged that they are not shown respect either.
doc03
(35,367 posts)a Rambo, he would take him and all his security out single handed. If he is connected in any way to Alex Jones I second that motion.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Sorry, but this really is a settled issue and the fact that the NRA keeps lying to its members about what the 2nd Am. means does not make it a real issue. At some point when one's opponents continue to refuse to listen to reason, derision becomes the only real response. And this may not play well in Texas, but it will in Rhode Island.
I've explained this in detail numerous times before, so here's the Reader's Digest explanation:
"A well-regulated militia..." Pretty much what it sounds like, a non-professional military operating under some legal authority and discipline. "...being necessary for the security of a free State,...." States are free and need to have an armed defense to stay that way. "the people's..." In 18th c. parlance this meant the general public, or more likely, the English-speaking, Anglo-Saxon, non-servile, Protestant (except in MD), land-owning parts of it. "...right..." Whatever right existed at Common Law. Notice that it does not create any rights, but merely preserves the one that already exists. "...to keep and bear..." It means what you think it means, but don't forget, it is the "people's" right and for the purpose of state security, so it does not necessarily mean the right to keep a gun in a private house. "...arms..." If we are following the original intention of the Framers, then this is a muzzle-loading, flintlock shooting either round shot or a shotgun load. Again, the 2nd Am. preserves rights as they existed in 1789, not as they exist or might exist today. Finally, after all those qualifiers, we get the "shall not be infringed" language, which begs the question, "by whom?" In 1789, it meant the Federal government, since it is part of the Federal Constitution. The 14th Am. arguably extends that to state authority. So why did the 1st Congress feel it necessary to include this in the BOR? The answer could not be more obvious. There was no national army or navy to speak of, so the individual states needed their own defense against foreign invaders, insurrection, slave revolts, or Indian uprisings. The 2nd Am. guarantees that the national government will not deprive the states the means to do so. Since we have a Federal Army, and a reserve, and a national guard, the 2nd Am. is really just a historic anachronism like the 3rd Am. or the provision in the 7th Am. that allows Federal jury trials in cases worth more than $20. It is similar to the Constitutional power of Congress to issue letters of marque and reprisal (government-sponsored piracy). It has no purpose today.
Token Republican
(242 posts)Thank you for clarifying things. I truly misunderstood the 2A until reading your post.
Now that I realize the 2A serves no purpose and is really a collective right that is limited to flintlocks, do you think it is appropriate for our elected officials to use that kind of language when speaking to citizens who do not share our enlightened view?
Or do you think stronger measures should be taken.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)denverbill
(11,489 posts)The asshole who screamed about the senator 'not understanding' the 2nd amendment is not a legislator, and they aren't in session. It was just some putz walking by hurling an insult.
You tell me exactly which 'sensible gun control laws' the screamer would reach across the aisle to pass. Because chances are there are zero, and that if the screamer had his way, the common sense laws that are already in place would be repealed.
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)Well then I guess it's time for the rightwing reporter of the story to call for john Boehner's resignation.
... their sulphurous, X-rated squabble last Friday, in the midst of fiscal-cliff negotiations at the White House, had no consequence beyond the further coarsening of political dialogue and a decreased likelihood of bipartisan cooperation....
Go fu*k yourself, (house speaker republican) Boehner advised Reid as they crossed paths just outside the Oval Office.
What are you talking about? (senate majority leader, democrat) Reid asked in surprise.
Go f*ck yourself, Boehner explained
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/03/john-boehner-s-f-bomb-at-harry-reid-plunges-d-c-incivility-to-new-low.html
hack89
(39,171 posts)The banners can't even get an AWB passed.
hack89
(39,171 posts)There is no chance of RI passing draconian gun laws like CT. We already have UBCs so I am sure they will make some minor changes to toss the controllers a bone and then call it a day.