Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:20 AM
SecularMotion (7,981 posts)
10 charged with illegally selling firearms at Dothan flea market; 200 guns seizedDOTHAN, Alabama -- Ten people were arrested for illegal gun sales that took place at Sadie's Flea Market in Dothan.
U.S. Attorney George L. Beck Jr. for the Middle District of Alabama and Special Agent in Charge Jeff Fulton of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), made the announcement today on the steps of the federal courthouse in Dothan. Those arrested had rented booths at Sadie's Flea Market and engaged in the sale of firearms, the U.S. Attorney's Office stated. ATF agents seized over 200 firearms and over 5000 rounds of live ammunition. Nine of the 10 arrested are accused of selling guns to individuals they knew had been convicted of a felony. Four were also charged with selling firearms without a license. http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2014/06/10_charged_with_illegally_sell.html
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SecularMotion | Jul 2014 | OP |
Duckhunter935 | Jul 2014 | #1 | |
blueridge3210 | Jul 2014 | #2 | |
Boom Sound 416 | Jul 2014 | #8 | |
ManiacJoe | Jul 2014 | #3 | |
sarisataka | Jul 2014 | #4 | |
ileus | Jul 2014 | #5 | |
oneshooter | Jul 2014 | #6 | |
sarisataka | Jul 2014 | #7 | |
Eleanors38 | Jul 2014 | #10 | |
blueridge3210 | Jul 2014 | #11 | |
Eleanors38 | Jul 2014 | #9 | |
Starboard Tack | Jul 2014 | #16 | |
blueridge3210 | Jul 2014 | #17 | |
sarisataka | Jul 2014 | #18 | |
blueridge3210 | Jul 2014 | #19 | |
Starboard Tack | Jul 2014 | #20 | |
gejohnston | Jul 2014 | #21 | |
blueridge3210 | Jul 2014 | #22 | |
Starboard Tack | Jul 2014 | #12 | |
Duckhunter935 | Jul 2014 | #13 | |
gejohnston | Jul 2014 | #14 | |
aikoaiko | Jul 2014 | #15 |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:07 AM
Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)
1. good
enforce existing laws
care to comment as per the SOP here |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:14 AM
blueridge3210 (1,401 posts)
2. "Live Ammunition".
Is that as opposed to "dead ammunition:?
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:17 PM
ManiacJoe (10,100 posts)
3. Good to see law enforcement enforcing the laws.
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:25 PM
sarisataka (15,243 posts)
4. Whoa, wait
So it is illegal to sell guns to prohibited persons at shows?
And there are enforceable laws to arrest people who do this? But haven't we repeatedly heard anyone can walk into a show and buy a gin no questions asked? Could one say that then there really is no "gun show loophole"? |
Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:51 PM
ileus (15,396 posts)
5. regressives only use the "loophole" scare tactic to whip the dumb
into a poutrage.
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:17 PM
oneshooter (8,595 posts)
6. They can only buy a gin if they are of legal age. n/t
Response to oneshooter (Reply #6)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:28 PM
sarisataka (15,243 posts)
7. And no gin
If buying a gun
I always lock up my pistol before opening the Bombay ![]() |
Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:01 PM
Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)
10. I lay off the beer when I'm in my Tankueray.
Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #10)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:06 PM
blueridge3210 (1,401 posts)
11. Stay thirsty my friends. (nt)
Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:58 PM
Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)
9. But it was a FLEA market, not a gun show. huge diff.
Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:58 PM
Starboard Tack (11,181 posts)
16. This wasn't a gun show
It wasaflea market.
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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:13 PM
blueridge3210 (1,401 posts)
17. The same laws apply to both.
It is a distinction without a difference.
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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:26 PM
sarisataka (15,243 posts)
18. Please tell me
You are not claiming there is any ATF regulations, federal (or state) law that specifically applies a different, stricter standard of sale of firearms sold at flea markets compared to gun shows...
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #18)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:33 PM
blueridge3210 (1,401 posts)
19. Sure, there are.
Just like when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor.
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #18)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:05 AM
Starboard Tack (11,181 posts)
20. No! Just clarifying.
All the hoopla eems to be about gun shows and their supposed loopholes. But apparently, these clowns just set up shop at a flea market. Something I've never seen, but I live a sheltered life. I see no reason why the ATF or federal law would be any different.
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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #20)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:41 PM
gejohnston (17,502 posts)
21. I have seen them
A couple sellers I know of was a retired ATF and another was retired NYPD. An occasional or one time sale by an unlicensed person is legal. When the guy shows up every day the market is open makes look like an unlicensed dealer. I have often wondered why the ATF doesn't bust a lot of them.
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Response to gejohnston (Reply #21)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:17 PM
blueridge3210 (1,401 posts)
22. Perhaps
it's a lot easier to complain about not having the funding to do you job than to actually execute? I know of several circumstances where local LEO's have been temporarily deputized as U.S. Marshals for warrant sweeps. Seems you could do something similar for checking flea markets and gun shows if one wanted to seek to enforce federal firearms laws. YMMV
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 07:29 AM
Starboard Tack (11,181 posts)
12. Wonder how much time they get
Good to see some enforcement, but if the consequences are no more than a slap on the wrist, then the laws are not effective. As this is a federal case they may well get some serious time.
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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #12)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:15 AM
Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)
13. but we are always told
there are no laws at gun shows.
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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #12)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:45 AM
gejohnston (17,502 posts)
14. any violation of the Gun Control Act
including clerical errors by licensed dealers can get up to ten years (which is why the guns/cars analogy is absurd). Of course, few people actually get that, and ten years is over the top and should be reserved for violent felonies. Felon in possession is a mandatory minimum of five. The guy that sold the Son of Sam killer the revolver got five years for interstate sale without an FFL (the killer was a NY resident. The seller was a TX resident)
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:12 PM
aikoaiko (33,180 posts)
15. Now that's how you do it.
Hopefully the evidence will be enough for convictions. |