Texas Pastor Shot During Home Robbery With His Own Gun

[doxydad]

I feel terrible for the friends and family of this Texas pastor , but
this tragedy is exactly why the argument about how guns protect people is such nonsense.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/tx-pastor-shot-during-home-robbery-his-own

[gejohnston]

1. one rare example

in the face of thousands of the contrary is not proof of any such thing.

[flamin lib]

3. Here's some light reading that refutes your contention.

Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms

Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

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The Gun Debate’s New Mythical Number: How Many Defensive Uses Per Year?

Philip J. Cook; Jens Ludwig; David Hemenway

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/JPAM_Cook_Ludwig_Hemenway_2007.pdf

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Gun use in the United States: results from two national surveys

D Hemenway, D Azrael, and M Miller

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730664/

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Defensive Gun Uses: New Evidence from a National Survey

Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/JQC-CookLudwig-DefensiveGunUses-1998.pdf

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Survey Research and Self-Defense Gun Use: An Explanation of Extreme Overestimates

David Hemenway

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/hemenway1.htm

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The Myth of Millions of Annual Self-Defense Gun Uses: A Case Study of Survey Overestimates of Rare Events

David Hemenway

http://www.stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/103.myth0.pdf

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The relative frequency of offensive and defensive gun uses: results from a national survey

Hemenway D, Azrael D

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11200101

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‘In the safety of your own home’: results from a national survey on gun use at home

Azrael D, Hemenway D

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619696

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Gun threats against and self-defense gun use by California adolescents

Hemenway D, Miller M

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15066882

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Reality check: using newspapers, police reports, and court records to assess defensive gun use

J Denton and W Fabricius

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730063/

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When criminals are shot: A survey of Washington, DC, jail detainees

May JP, Hemenway D, Oen R, Pitts K

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11104447

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Medical care solicitation by criminals with gunshot wound injuries: a survey of Washington, DC, jail detainees

May JP, Hemenway D, Oen R, Pitts KR

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647578

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Do criminals go to the hospital when they are shot?

J P May, D Hemenway, A Hall

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/8/3/236.full

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The effect of nondiscretionary concealed weapon carrying laws on homicide

Hepburn L, Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15128143

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The Impact of Right-To-Carry Laws and the NRC Report: Lessons for the Empirical Evaluation of Law and Policy

Abhay Aneja, John J. Donohue III, Alexandria Zhang

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1632599

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Two Guns, Four Guns, Six Guns, More Guns: Does Arming the Public Reduce Crime?

Albert W. Alschuler

http://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1854&context=vulr

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Shooting Down the “More Guns, Less Crime” Hypothesis

Ian Ayres & John J. Donohue III

http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_article.pdf

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More Guns, Less Crime Fails Again: The Latest Evidence from 1977 – 2006

John Donohue and Ian Ayers

http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1046&context=fss_papers

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The Latest Misfires in Support of the “More Guns, Less Crime” Hypothesis

Ian Ayres & John J. Donohue III

http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_comment.pdf

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Yet Another Refutation of the More Guns, Less Crime Hypothesis – With Some Help From Moody and Marvell

Ian Ayres and John J. Donohue III

http://econjwatch.org/articles/yet-another-refutation-of-the-more-guns-less-crime-hypothesis-with-some-help-from-moody-and-marvell

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Easing Concealed Firearms Laws: Effects on Homicide in Three States

David McDowall, Colin Loftin and Brian Wiersema

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6855&context=jclc

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The Impact of “Shall-Issue” Concealed Handgun Laws on Violent Crime Rates: Evidence From Panel Data for Large Urban Cities

Tomislav V. Kovandzic, Thomas B. Marvell and Lynne M. Vieraitis

http://hsx.sagepub.com/content/9/4/292.abstract

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Concealed Handguns: The Counterfeit Deterrent

Franklin Zimring and Gordon Hawkins

http://www.gwu.edu/~ccps/rcq/issues/7-2.pdf
(pg. 46)

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Concealed-Gun-Carrying Laws and Violent Crime: Evidence from State Panel Data

Jens Ludwig

http://home.uchicago.edu/ludwigj/papers/IJLE-ConcealedGunLaws-1998.pdf

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Do Right-to-Carry Laws Deter Violent Crime?

Dan A. Black and Daniel Nagin

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/468019?uid=3739848&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103225911223

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More Guns, More Crime

Mark Duggan

http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/faculty/dranove/htm/dranove/coursepages/Mgmt%20469/guns.pdf

[gejohnston]

8. like I said

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=148445

BTW, Phil Cook verified Kleck's study within his margin of error.

Tomislav V. Kovandzic study:
The results provide no evidence that the laws reduce or increase rates of violent crime.

[Eleanors38]

13. Well, Hemenway ain't to Hemingway. nt

[flamin lib]

14. note that ge above and now you want to ignore the many other

Authors and many not her publications. Funny how that happens in a group that speaks so often and loud about studies.

[Eleanors38]

15. Same old stuff. Why post Hemenway when you could post...

Bellisiles?

[flamin lib]

16. I posted a great many sources but can't get anyone here to address them. funny how that happens. nt

[Eleanors38]

17. Most of these studies have been refuted over the years if DU's

existence, and most pro-2A backers are not wont to do it again and again. It's not so much "funny" as it is boring and tedious. But if you can find the archives in DU, you will find responses to the "studies." Again and again.

[flamin lib]

18. Yeah, right. And you and ge read them all. nt

[NYC_SKP]

2. Bunch of folks died in car wrecks yesterday, we need to ban the damned contraptions.

Cars scare me, I don't like them. Nobody should get to have a car because they scare me and they hurt people.

[Duckhunter935]

5. I agree, I am more scared of cars

been rear ended by a distracted driver and it is not fun.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Cars, yes. And clowns.

[blueridge3210]

10. Dentists! (nt)

[NYC_SKP]

11. Mixed emotions....

Clown-like, but possibly fun!

[blueridge3210]

12. I hate you.

[Duckhunter935]

4. and the use of a firearm

for self defense use is more common so it rarely makes the news, especially if the weapon is not fired.

It was a Father’s Day a couple of Red Lake Falls, Minnesota store owners, and an alleged burglar won’t soon forget. The store owner held a burglar at gunpoint for police.

A 16-year old male has been charged with 1st degree burglary. The suspect is a juvenile, so his name won’t be released.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/25786521/red-lake-falls-store-owner-holds-burglar-at-gunpoint-for-police

[NYC_SKP]

7. And, of course, people don't always report successful use of a firearm to thwart crime.

And the gun controllers love that and feed the fear.

Gun ownership, too, goes increasingly unreported, as you know.

Controllers then get to cite dramatic drops in the percentage of homes with them.

I'm sure the percentage has fallen, but not by those figures.

[ileus]

9. Rather than be a willing victim I'll take my chances....thanks anyway.