Black Friday's 175,000 fearground check record.

[ileus]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/28/us/black-friday-gun-sales/

The busiest shopping day of the year also saw a major boom for gun sales, with the federal background check system setting a record of more than 175,000 background checks Friday, according to the FBI.
The staggering number of checks -- an average of almost three per second, nearly three times the daily average




I didn't realize dealers had black friday sales, and here the only thing I bought was rotors/pads and tires. 700 bucks could have bought me a really nice CZ75 or new G20 for woods carry.

[Socal31]

1. Why does it seem flame-bait type threads are common here?

[pablo_marmol]

2. Why does it seem that some members perceive certain threads

as "flame bait"?

[Fred Sanders]

3. The gun lovers jumping on gun CONTROL forums to stroke themselves....how typical.

[krispos42]

4. This Group is not limited to gun control.

That one is called Gun Control Reform Activism.

[friendly_iconoclast]

5. Might I suggest a group where you'd be happier? You won't have to put up with...

...any dissent:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

[Fred Sanders]

6. It is gun lovers that put up with the dissent here, what are you talking about?

[Duckhunter935]

11. at least our fine host

allows differing viewpoints unlike that other group. If it was run like that group you wold have been blocked a long time ago. Free and open speech is a great thing right?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. Yes he does but regarding GCRA...

...which host were you referring to? They don't actually seem to be doing anything.

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[Duckhunter935]

17. I am refering to krispos42

I do not know what happened to those two hosts, they seemed to have dropped off of the face of the earth. Same with the other drive by poster that used to stop by here.

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And another curious thing, 90+ days now and I am hide free and it does not seem like my posts are being alerted on anymore.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

21. re: I am refering to krispos42

He is a great host; we're lucky to have him.

Concerning GCRA, I know of Hamlet, "...'Tis an unweeded garden That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature..."
C'est la vie

[NYC_SKP]

13. "stroke themselves"? What an odd sexual sounding reference. Oh well, live and let live. nt

[DonP]

14. There's a lot of "projection" in that statement

It ranks right up there with the tiny penis references they seem to favor.

On the good side, all they can do is insult and whine online. None of them ever actually does anything to support their gun control agenda.

After all, Bloomberg is picking up their tab for now.

But after getting his political ass waxed in November and sending a lot of his MAIG members up the river, he may decide his ROI on Shannon Watts and company may not be as much fun as it was and find something else to piss away his heirs money on?

Then we can see how fast a real grass roots gun control organization, with actual dues paying members arises. I'm confident the Knights of Castle Bansalot will rise to the occasion and pledge their personal fortunes to the cause.

[Duckhunter935]

18. They do like the sexual

references, don't they?

[Fred Sanders]

7. They refuse to understand that guns use high explosives, every bullet is a bomb.

[Straw Man]

8. Gunpowder is not a high explosive.

They refuse to understand that guns use high explosives, every bullet is a bomb.

Neither is smokeless powder. High explosives are far too unstable to be used as propellants in small arms cartridges. Read and learn:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/249491/gunpowder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokeless_powder

Furthermore, bullets are not bombs. A bullet is an inert lump of lead or other metal. Combustion of the propellant in the cartridge takes place in the chamber before the bullet leaves the barrel. Bombs and artillery shells, on the other hand, carry their explosives to the target and detonate them there.

[Fred Sanders]

9. Really? Blows out lead fast enough to kill folks, seems explosive to me.

[Straw Man]

29. Bows shoot arrows fast enough to kill people.

Are they explosive?

These are technical terms that have specific meanings. What it "seems to you" means nothing.

[ileus]

30. Well they won't let you have explosive broadheads yaknow!!!! Guns go BOOM!!!

[sarisataka]

32. ..

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

33. ^ +5 up high ^

[DonP]

10. Science ignorant and proud of it!

Smokeless powder, in use since the late 19th century, is considered an "Oxidizer" by chemists, not an explosive. And as pointed out lead is an inert substance.

But feel free to line up over there with the Creationist Fundies and Climate Deniers. They don't understand science either.

[Fred Sanders]

15. LOL. The stuff that blows out lead at a thousand miles an hour is NOT a high explosive, you go girl.

[sarisataka]

19. Are you aware

of the difference between ignorant and stupid?

[DonP]

27. Well, some people highly qualify in both categories. N/T

[Duckhunter935]

20. smokless powder (ammunition) differs from high explosives

Division 1.3 Explosives

Consists of explosives that have a fire hazard and either a minor blast hazard or a minor projection hazard or, both but not a mass explosion hazard.

1.1 is a high explosive, ammunition is not in that DOT classification

http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class1.html

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. Well now

This is a clear case of confusion.

M-12 fires bullets; is not HE


M-112 detonates; is HE


Have a nice day.

[Eleanors38]

25. This "stroking" juxtaposed to "you go girl"...

Is there some kind of sexual content you wish to elaborate on?

[DonP]

26. And damn proud of it too. Thanks for the confirmation.

[ileus]

22. Never let facts get in the way of fear...

[S_B_Jackson]

28. Gun powder and smokeless powder are not high explosives....

Gun powder deflagrates, it does not detonate. The difference being the speed at which the reaction takes place. The former term is subsonic, the latter is supersonic. To be accurate, gun powder is properly termed a low explosive.

[Fred Sanders]

31. You gun lover folk sure do get defensive, and your smoke screens are hilarious.

[Duckhunter935]

34. Just correcting factual errors

that are thought by some to be facts but are wrong.

[benEzra]

35. It's "defensive" to point out that gun propellants burn, rather than explode?

Guns depend on a smooth burn to smoothly pressurize the chamber, just like car engines do. If you are familiar with the internal workings of gasoline engines, you know that a detonation instead of a smooth burn can destroy an engine, and the same is true of a firearm.

Here's what happens when gunpowder is ignited (skip ahead to 0:28 or so):

When confined inside an enclosed chamber, the rising gas pressure and temperature greatly accelerate the burn rate, but it's still a burn, not a detonation. For a typical small-caliber centerfire rifle, pressure peaks when the bullet is about an inch and a half down the barrel and gradually declines until the bullet exits and drops the pressure to ambient. Same as an airgun, just with a different source of gas and a much higher working pressure (55kpsi for a typical rifle).

And it's not pedantic to point out basic errors of fact, when *legislation* may end up based on it.

[Fred Sanders]

36. Yes, this reaction explodes the metal projectile out of the jacket, delivered by a gun, I get it,

this is a very powerful and explosive propellant...this kind of explosive power should be well regulated and controlled.

[hack89]

37. Gun powder is regulated so you can stop being scared now. Nt

[DonP]

39. Well regulated enough that the Boston Marathon Bombers had to use fireworks ...

... for their pressure cooker bombs.

Gun powder must have been too difficult to get their hands on in any quantity without raising suspicion.

[Fred Sanders]

43. LOL. I do not own a gun, because I do not live in fear....please, look in the mirror while clutching

your lethal weapon, and look into your own eyes. You will see it.

[hack89]

46. I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town

the only time my guns come out of the safe is when I am at the range practicing or when I am actually competing.

[Fred Sanders]

47. Then my message is not for you.

[hack89]

49. It is also not for most of the gun owners that I know. nt

[benEzra]

38. It is controlled. And there's only about a sugar cube's worth in a cartridge.

A 9mm round contains about half a gram of powder (0.02 ounce); a .223 load (small caliber rifle) contains about 1.6 grams of powder (0.06 ounce).

Even bulk powder is probably a fair bit safer than gasoline, if that puts it into context---and far more controlled.

[NYC_SKP]

40. "out of the jacket"? No. The "jacket" that surrounds the lead projectile stays with the projectile.

The projectile is propelled out of the cartridge "case", if there is a jacket to stays with the bullet, or projectile.

Black powder and smokeless gunpowder are both classified as "low explosives", while "high explosives" are more powerful and include TNT and C-4.

Deflagration rates for high explosives are exponentially higher than for low explosives like common gun powder.

[oneshooter]

42. Black Powder is a "low explosive", smokeless is a "flammable solid". n/t

[Fred Sanders]

44. So the ignition creates extreme internalized pressure that explodes the metal projectile into

the human flesh at greater than the speed of sound......using a gun?

I stand corrected...no need to regulate such harmless toys.

[benEzra]

45. That doesn't mean firecracker-sized small arms cartridges are "bombs".

That level of hyperbole is downright funny. Are firecrackers "bombs" too? Although in light of the fact that I've heard .22 caliber rifles called "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (yep, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually destroyed by a small-caliber rifle, dontchaknow) I guess it could be worse...

FWIW, guns *are* regulated. U.S. citizens with clean records and no restraining orders can only own non-automatic, non-sound-suppressed, non-disguised small arms under .51 caliber, or shotguns (up to .775 caliber, typically) that cannot be easily converted to automatic fire, and have a minimum barrel length of 16" for rifles or 18" for shotguns, and armor-piercing ammo is banned in all calibers in which it matters. Pretty much anything else is a 10-year Federal felony to possess without a whole lot of Federal paperwork. In most states, you have to have a license to carry one concealed; to get a license here in NC, I had to pass an FBI background check, state background check, mental health records check, fingerprint check, take a class on self-defense law using a state-approved curriculum, and demonstrate competence on a shooting range, live fire. But that's not enough for you...

[Fred Sanders]

48. Blah, blah, blah, blah, all cover for an unhealthy attachment to lethal weapons rarely required.

[GGJohn]

50. Blah, blah, blah, blah, more pearl clutching by a controller.

[benEzra]

53. Then don't own one.

It's a personal choice. You choose not to own guns, and that's fine with me. I choose to, and will retain that choice.

[Travis_0004]

51. I prefer subsonic ammo

It works much better with my silencer.

[Fred Sanders]

52. Spoken like a true gun lover, clutching the smooth shaft of your "silencer".....other gun lovers salute.

[pablo_marmol]

41. Correcting your factual errors does not equal "smoke screens".

But you knew that.

Thanks for once again demonstrating your contempt for the truth.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

54. Not a fan of the internal combustion engine, are you? nt

[Eleanors38]

24. Because a lotta gun banners post here.

You may (or may not) have noticed the OP posted by a controller/banner on the same subject earlier? Merely a different perspective.

[NYC_SKP]

12. But yanno, gun ownership is dropping like a rock!

That's what the kidz are sayin'!

[mwrguy]

55. Black folks standing up for themselves drives gun sales through the roof

It's predictable as the sun across the sky.

[DonP]

56. Yup, a lot of African Americans are buying guns

and for good reasons too. Since they can't rely on the "authorities" to protect them.

That's why 35,000 minorities already have completed their training and have concealed carry permits in Cook County alone.