Has anyone noticed a drop in posts in this forum?

[hack89]

Apparently there was some devastating post that nearly shut us down
.

[BainsBane]

1. Doesn't it bother you to learn this group and site are being trolled

by conservatives, some for years on end? Or don't you care?

[Duckhunter935]

3. or liberals who own firearms

and believe in the RKBA. You know like whats in the Democratic platform and what the President of the United States has stated.

[BainsBane]

4. That isn't what this is about

The post the OP referred to linked to a discussion on a gun site where people talked about being moles here for more than seven years. They said there were several long-term moles pretending to be Democrats in order to advance their gun views. They talked about their disgust at having to associate with liberals to do it.

[Duckhunter935]

8. what post did he link to?

I did not see anything

[Fred Sanders]

11. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627837

[NaturalHigh]

59. I'm going to have to check out that group once in a while.

I just love the old "abject morons and tiny penis gun aficionados" shtick. It's useful for determining whom I never have to worry about taking seriously.

Why is it always the gun-banning types who can't bring up guns without mentioning penises?

[Duckhunter935]

66. Please do

"Why is it always the gun-banning types who can't bring up guns without mentioning penises?"

When you figure that out, let me know

[BainsBane]

18. It was posted in this group and the gun control group

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1135093_index.html

A more recent one, with some admissions that their trolls like to start infighting here:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1556486_index.html

[Duckhunter935]

24. well do not do the AR15 one

and rarely visit the control group as it is so slow to be dead. Both hosts left and the echo chamber that congratulates each other and disrespects DU firearms owners and will not allow any defense due to blocking. Not worth looking at.

[BainsBane]

26. The point is not those groups

but the information disclosed in those threads. The point is there are people here lying, pretending to be Democrats who actually despise liberals. You have learned that and your response is to bash the gun control group. That says it all. You are more bothered by the presence of people who support gun control than RWers pretending to be Democrats. Those trolls set up base in the Gungeon. That means they lie to you every single day, and that evidently doesn't bother you as long as they promote gun proliferation.

[Fred Sanders]

28. He asks for the link, it is provided, he refuses to read it, deflects and......runs.....

[GGJohn]

30. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You went there.

[Duckhunter935]

46. and once again you would be wrong

I think that is about 8 or 10 times now, is it not?

I did not say I did not read them, I said I do not subscribe or that I am a member of that blog site.

What deflection, I just stated the truth about the other group.

I will be waiting for a snappy come back from you but if my past encounters with you are normal, when called out you will just disappear from the thread and stop posting.

[Duckhunter935]

45. Does not surprise me that there are a few trolls here

I see them kicked out time to time and I am glad they are caught. Telling the truth about that other group is not bashing, sorry if the truth is hard to take. How many of the blocked people in that group are very long time high count DU members that just do not echo the anti-gun narrative? At least this group allows more than one point of view and this groups does not require a "safe haven" to erate firearms owners. You should thank our host for allowing you to post here.

So after all of this, just how many trolls have you outed in those links? 10's, 100's, 1000's? how pervasive is it?

I think our MIRT team does a pretty good job and deserves our thanks.

[Fred Sanders]

55. This group does not require a safe haven...... only because it IS the safe haven....snap!

[Duckhunter935]

56. what are you babbling about?

I truly do not understand. This group allows all points of view and welcomes open dialog. As far as I know, that is not a "safe haven" like the other group requires to protect them from that very thing.

I am surprised you came back but I guess you will not post in the subthread where you were so happy I ran away, but I am still here.

[Electric Monk]

60. I think he's trying to say that you are allowed to post things in GC&RKBA you can't post in GD. nt

[Duckhunter935]

64. That's a stretch

as we do not tend to try and abuse the GD exceptions like the controller side does. Firearms owners know where to post gun related threads, however most us are not allowed in the other group which is the other option.

our SOP

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

Your SOP

Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

[GGJohn]

67. Funny thing is that the only ones who abuse the SOP of GD

are the controllers, 1 in particular.

[Duckhunter935]

70. yep saw another SOP lock

again what was it yesterday? And it was not from the RKBA side.

[GGJohn]

72. Yup, and I know you know who I'm referring to. eom

[Duckhunter935]

74. yep nt

[Duckhunter935]

78. a quick look at locked gun related posts in GD

how many are from the RKBA side or the pro-controller side?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6077298
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026079223
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026075585
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026073974
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026069941
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026067600
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026063573
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026053239
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026049313
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026045357

So my question to you EM, truthfully tell me what side has been found to be abusing the GD SOP?

[Electric Monk]

79. When you see such posts, you can suggest in a friendly way that they post in one or both

of the designated gun discussion groups, and include links. That's what I plan to do from here on out, if I manage to see them before they get locked. I am not responsible for what other people post in GD.

Your list of links goes to show, unintentionally I'm sure, that the VAST majority of DUers favor some further forms of gun control measures because what's currently in place is not working properly.

[Duckhunter935]

84. It's called an SOP alert

I really would be surprised if you would do that but I hope you are doing it as you so strictly enforce yours and block without warning or chance to modify a post. I will be looking for you to post in those threads.....

you can suggest in a friendly way that they post in one or both of the designated gun discussion groups, and include links. That's what I plan to do from here on out

"Your list of links goes to show, unintentionally I'm sure, that the VAST majority of DUers favor some further forms of gun control measures because what's currently in place is not working properly."

No, it shows that your side ignores the GD SOP and Skinner's guidance on gun related posts and you can not even admit that fact.

[GGJohn]

58. Wha????????????

WTF does that even mean?
Is this your attempt at humor? If it is, don't give up your day job.

[Duckhunter935]

61. more posts in this thread

than the other group got all week I think lol

[GGJohn]

63. Yup, there was a short flurry of threads and then.....stagnant again.

[Duckhunter935]

65. well, you can only pat yourself on the back so much

then it begins to hurt.

[Duckhunter935]

75. Fred left again

Wonder if he will come back?

[GGJohn]

76. That's SOP for him. eom

[ileus]

9. AR15.com sucks ass...the whole "buy a colt" your AR sucks gets old.

I joined when I was first buying / building my AR's quickly learned it was a bunch of clicky AR snobs.

[beevul]

80. You guys do a swell job pointing that out...

Differentiating between actual Democrats who support gun rights, and moles, on the other hand, not so much.

As far as you lot are concerned, you want all of the above gone.

[BainsBane]

82. What I want is effective gun control

As for the subject of this OP, which is not your bruised ego but evidence of long-term troll infestation from gun sites, I don't like arguing with people who do not genuinely express their views. That is one of the reasons I no longer engage in discussion about guns here. Too many shifting arguments and "beliefs." The way you all have responded to this revelation only confirms my decision. So by all means, turn this into yet another whine about how you are victimized. It wouldn't be a gun thread without endless self pity by the poor, persecuted and heavily armed gun zealots.

[beevul]

83. As if we didn't know that already.

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"What I want is effective gun control"


As if we didn't know that already. At least you've given up trying to convince anyone you're trying to prevent gun violence, and made it plain what you want.


On edit, I note from you, no disagreement with this statement, which was addressed to you:


"As far as you lot are concerned, you want all of the above gone."

[hack89]

5. One link said they trolled as a liberal

Doesn't it bother you that some of the most ardent gun controllers might be conservative trolls?

Trolls are part and parcel of anonymous sites. Anyone can be any thing. That is why I care about the logic and the facts and ignore the personal attacks. If I was a RW troll on DU all I would post is "gun humpers" and "fuck the NRA" - I would gain instant acceptance and credibility (at least in Bansalot. )

[BainsBane]

19. "trolled as a liberal'

Yes, this is supposed to be a liberal site.

I take your response to my question to be no.

[hack89]

25. As in they post outrageously ridiculous "liberal" things

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to see just how far they can go before they are called on it. Hence my comment about "gun humpers" and "fuck the NRA". That is how right wingers think liberals actually think - that is how they post as "liberals". Unfortunately there are some here that lend credence to that notion.

I don't like RW trolls on DU. But there is nothing I can do about it so I focus on those posters willing to discuss with facts and rational arguments. Now that doesn't include you when it comes to gun threads but I doubt you are a RW troll simply based on your posts on other subjects. Now there is a poster who has spammed every thread on the Paris tragedy with posts about the evil American gun culture - I can certainly see him as a RW troll.

[ileus]

86. There's at least one regressive that's so out there he almost has to be a AR15er.

[friendly_iconoclast]

92. I believe I know who you are referring to, but it's hard to tell For Sure

It could be another, but Some Might disagree...

[beevul]

97. I see what you did there.

[friendly_iconoclast]

100. It can sometimes be difficult to figure out who the false-flag types are

They're not all as obvious as, say, one "Joe Steel", who pestered us for a short while
a couple of years back.

Some may very well *be* sincere (but obviously socially impaired fantasists) that need to be
Helped out of GC&RKBA while still remaining at DU.

Others are Emotionally Motivated by anger and jealousy that we are more popular
than their pet forum/group and just won't quietly submit to their "one true and noble cause".

And then, some are just so egomaniacal that can't seem to get along with *anyone*,
in *any* group or forum and end up getting Intensely removed from DU entirely.
No doubt more of these Misanthropic Bloviators will be joining them, in time...

[Duckhunter935]

2. Not really

I have seen many open discussions in this group

[MrTriumph]

6. Many forums are withering.

We see this same trend in non-political message boards that we monitor at work. We attribute it to the general lack of civility compounded by the extreme damage done by trolls. Most forums brag about having thousands of users. But look at how relatively few participate on a daily basis. That should tell you something.

Coupled with the rise of facebook and other social media where posts are somewhat better policed, people are leaving forums.

Now flame me. (Yawn).

[hack89]

7. Since you missed the inside joke

I won't flame you.

[Fred Sanders]

10. I am pleased to repost it for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627837

[hack89]

12. So which liberal anti-gun poster is really a RW troll?

According to the second link he trolled as a liberal. Could be you for all we know.

And do you really think this forum skipped a beat? Really?

[Duckhunter935]

48. well one of the hosts in that group

has been a member for 7 years just as one of the links states. I hope it is not true, but that DU member has disappeared. If it is not him I will apologize to all as an open post.

[Fred Sanders]

14. I am too polite to name names.

[petronius]

13. Yes, but not as a recent thing

I've noticed three patterns:

1) DU as a whole seems slower, and that shows up here as well,

2) For whatever reason, some of the daily google-dumps that used to trigger a lot of posts here have been on hiatus for a while,

3) Since the formation of GCRA, the total number of gun-related posts in both groups are less than used to be in GC&RKBA alone. For this group, that seems to have been a positive outcome - threads are often shorter but more often on point, as the poo-flinging tit-for-tat sub-threads that used to consume so much space have to a certain extent been siphoned off...




Also, of course, the emergency webinar and strategy revision meeting called by Arfcom World Headquarters consumed a lot of posting time.

[hack89]

15. I certainly don't miss the Google dumps. nt

[Duckhunter935]

20. That sir, is a true statement

They could not even keep a host, could a host have been a troll? Would have been interesting.

[NaturalHigh]

33. I'm missing something. What are "Google dumps"?

[hack89]

36. We had a poster that would post a never ending stream of anti-gun stories without comment. nt

[Duckhunter935]

49. one of the hosts from the other group

posted over 500 threads without any comment, stories he just cut and pasted from Google. When asked to comment about the OP, he would refuse. Some might call it spam.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=21&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=22&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=23&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=24&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=25&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=26&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=27&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=28&sort=author

[NaturalHigh]

52. The old hit and run, eh?

[Duckhunter935]

54. pretty much nt

[ileus]

16. A lot of good guys got canned during sandy hook...

Posting has kinda slowed down since then.

[Electric Monk]

22. Your definition of good guys and my definition vary considerably.

How many of your "good guy" buddies got their PPR with a "gun troll" message attached by the DU admins? More than a few.

[hack89]

39. BTW - you have an interesting definition of tizzy

pointing out the stupidity of your post is going into a tizzy? Especially a post that reflects just as poorly on your forum as it does ours? The fact that you posted a link that confirmed that a right winger posted as a liberal certainly explains some of the frequent Bansalot posters.

[Renew Deal]

17. Where is iverglas when you need her?

[GGJohn]

21. On Discussionist. eom

[ileus]

23. writing a blog to herself, whining about gun trolls.

[NaturalHigh]

32. I've never had the pleasure of that particular poster.

I've read a few good stories, though. She's a total ban fanatic, isn't she?

[GGJohn]

34. She's over on Discussionist now

arguing with everyone, even when they agree with her, she still argues.

[NaturalHigh]

35. I don't have a membership there...

and I haven't even looked in for a while. The next time I peek in there, I'll have to look her up.

[GGJohn]

37. She's posting under the username I verglas. eom

[Lurks Often]

27. Fewer gun control extremists posting here

No more google dumps from one and another disappeared after his 5th hide and never returned.

[NaturalHigh]

77. I think they realize that they're losing...

in both courts of law and public opinion and that not all Democrats are open to the "gun humper" insults they are so fond of.

[Lurks Often]

91. They are definitely losing

they just can't seem to understand why

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Quality or Quantity?

[NaturalHigh]

31. That's the first I've read of any of this.

I had never seen the supposedly damning link, and I still haven't read it. Some people are surely happy that our wings are supposedly being clipped, though.

[hack89]

38. On a slow day we have ten times the traffic they have

a fact they seem to not want to accept.

[Electric Monk]

42. A thread I posted in GCRA yesterday got 19 recs. When is the last time a pro-rkba thread on DU did

even close to that?

[GGJohn]

43. So what? Is that supposed to impress?

Is that your measure of popularity? We all know that there are a lot more controller's here.

[mog75]

44. K & R!!!

[GGJohn]

47. And here you are in this group, where a different opinion is tolerated,

it must be really boring over at bansalot, always agreeing with each other, high fiving each other thinking you all got one over on us here, thinking your so much smarter than us.
You can have your Rec's, we'll take our free wheeling, robust debate over an echo chamber.

[Duckhunter935]

51. well said

It is funny, they seem to like posting over here and then talk so badly about this group when they do infrequently post over in "bansalot"

[Duckhunter935]

50. actually kind of easy

when you have an echo chamber that blocks any dissenting views, quite unlike here. We tend to have discussion, not sit here and pat each other on the back.

[yeoman6987]

40. I've been banned for a long time.

Made one person mad and gone for good.

[NaturalHigh]

41. I'm not banned only because I've never posted there.

[Duckhunter935]

53. does not matter

The current active host has called for preemptive blocking and I am sure he will implement it. I think it really was driving them nuts when they were without a host and that function was not available. His introduction and request to be a host said he is proud of the label "castle bansalot".

So, what say you all? If you've been here awhile you know where I stand on gun control, and I'll try to be fair, while at the same time maintaining the reputation as "castle bansalot" for keeping the gun nuts out. They have their own forums to wax poetic about their tools of death, they have no business polluting this one as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627553

If they've previously posted elsewhere (in GD or the RKBA group, for example) something along the lines of "easy access to guns isn't the problem, and in fact more guns in more hands would make everyone safer" or similar nonsense, then that should be plenty reason enough to block them from this group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262339

[Electric Monk]

57. Yep, it's not a secret. If a gunthusiast posts even once in the GCRA Group they'll be blocked.

That's actually the *point* of the group, the "raison d'être", if you will.

[GGJohn]

62. I've noticed that you had a short flurry of threads there,

now.....it's pretty much stagnant again.
Yup, like I said, you can have all the Rec's you want, we'll take, you know, actual conversation, pro and con.

[Duckhunter935]

69. yes, I agree

So much better to actually have a discussion. It still amazes me they have to leave the required "safe haven" to come help our post count, but oh well, what can you say?

[NaturalHigh]

68. Sounds like a great place for "discussion."

Tell your host to go ahead and ban me while he's getting in the preemptive strikes. I have little patience for gun-banning advocates anyway.

[GGJohn]

71. Here's what EM didn't include in that rant,

you actually have to post in that group before they can block you, if you don't, they can't add your name to the wall of honor.

[Duckhunter935]

73. You just told him yourself

I am sure you will be 43, I am number 9

[beevul]

81. How strange that you did not put that explicitly in the SOP.

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I wonder why...


Its nice to have the admission though.

Of course, the gun banners are completely welcome over there.

[Duckhunter935]

85. maybe he will update it

It can be done, but I would be surprised if he tries. It's better for him to just do it but not have to promote it so it does not look like they are trying to stifle dissent. But that is exactly what they are doing.

[beevul]

98. "The SOP is what I say it is..."

"The SOP is what I say it is, and means what I say it does"

If anything were to be said, my bet is it would be the above. I'm reminded of this, 37 seconds in:

"The truth is what I say it is"

[Duckhunter935]

99. good movie nt

[ncjustice80]

87. People get banned because they dont understand the purpose of the other group.

It is not to discuss the morals of gun control- that is THIS groups purpose. It is to discuss gun control activism. If you are posting over there, it is over how to further restrict/control firearms. Disagreement is for over how far it should go and best ways to implement gun control. It needs to be a safe haven because otherwise ignorant trolls come in there and post OT flame bait and subthreads.

[Duckhunter935]

88. not quite right but nice try

when some here have tried to post their ideas on how to control gun related violence, it is an automatic NRA talking point since those people are not for confiscation but for laws other than ones on cosmetic features.

[ncjustice80]

89. Doesnt change the purpose of the group.

And if it isnt about GUN control, then it is OT.

[Duckhunter935]

90. yes but they block even when

backing control items because they do not go as far as they want. You have to pass a purity test to post there. Very sad actually.

[beevul]

94. Yeah...um...No.

57. Yep, it's not a secret. If a gunthusiast posts even once in the GCRA Group they'll be blocked.


That's actually the *point* of the group, the "raison d'être", if you will.

(and in case its not clear to you, that's the host of GCRA who said the above)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172158824#post57



So yeah, it actually has nothing to do with WHAT one posts, and everything to do with WHO is doing the posting. As if that's not damning enough on its own...go look as see just how many posts DON'T discuss gun control at all, however are allowed to stand by the host because the authors views on guns are known and accepted.

Frankly I'm glad of the hosts admission that blocking people for any "SOP violation" is a sham.

[oneshooter]

93. Barely noticable.

GCRA Number of posts, 30 days: 349
Number of posts, All time: 7,871

GC_RKBA Number of posts, 30 days: 1,625
Number of posts, All time: 158,948

Congrads to GG, you have joined a unique group of posters.

And should this poster join our little group for daring to post this? Not pro gun control at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627825

[NYC_SKP]

95. No, actually I think it's picked up.

I saw the other post.

No worries.

[DonP]

96. The irony of a 95+ post thread to talk about low posting here is palpable N/T

[Duckhunter935]

101. look at the post counts of the

"other group"

Even the host of that group posts more over here it is so slow. Not to mention the two hosts that disappeared.

[tularetom]

102. I'm not surprised, I never go to the "other group" because I disagree with 99% of

what's posted there.

But this ones getting boring, with all the name calling and accusations of trolling. So even though I might agree with 99% of what's posted here I have no desire to read the same stuff over and over.

I liked better in the old days even if there were right wing trolls among the posters.

[Duckhunter935]

103. what name calling?

please enlighten us

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

104. Yes it's seriously hard to find a thread with...

...more than few posts...



.............except this one.............



................................and some others..............................





...and well, I'll let you know.