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Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:42 AM

Responsible Gun Owner Shows Off Gun, Accidently Shoots Daughter | Crooks and Liars

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Here's today's installment from Texas:

The Dallas Morning News reported that 53-year-old Steven Johnson had taken out his gun at his home in Colleyville to show it to visitors.

According to Colleyville city spokesperson Mona Gandy, the gun discharged and Johnsonís 10-year-old daughter was struck by a bullet that went through a wall of the home.

The girl was taken to Baylor Emergency Medical Center by her mother, where police were contacted. She was then flown to Childrenís Medical Center of Dallas. Her condition was not disclosed.

I'm sure that dad feels awful for accidentally shooting his daughter. But this happens every day, and they've still got their guns close by. It's hard to understand.

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Reply Responsible Gun Owner Shows Off Gun, Accidently Shoots Daughter | Crooks and Liars (Original post)
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 OP
olddots Jan 2015 #1
Ilsa Jan 2015 #2
Arkansas Granny Jan 2015 #3
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4
Arkansas Granny Jan 2015 #14
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15
beevul Jan 2015 #24
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #25
beevul Jan 2015 #30
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #33
beevul Jan 2015 #36
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #38
hack89 Jan 2015 #16
GGJohn Jan 2015 #22
ileus Jan 2015 #5
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
ileus Jan 2015 #8
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9
beevul Jan 2015 #19
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #27
gejohnston Jan 2015 #28
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #29
gejohnston Jan 2015 #37
beevul Jan 2015 #31
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #35
beevul Jan 2015 #39
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #40
GGJohn Jan 2015 #23
gejohnston Jan 2015 #21
Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #26
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #6
Adsos Letter Jan 2015 #10
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11
NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #12
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
Straw Man Jan 2015 #17
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #18
Straw Man Jan 2015 #20
benEzra Jan 2015 #32
Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #34
benEzra Jan 2015 #41

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:47 AM

1. it never ends

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:51 AM

2. I wonder if there are other children in the house.

If there are, will he still keep the damn gun that he almost killed his daughter with? And don't jump me for the "almost killed" phrase. Even if she is not in critical condition, she could have been killed if the bullet had hit a vital organ.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:15 AM

3. At least charges are being filed this time. Too many times these accidental shootings result in the

shooter getting off scot free.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:18 AM

4. When I see a gun I see death and misery, the design function, I have no idea what gun loving folks see.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:41 PM

14. I agree. In my 68 years on this planet, living alone or with

children for most of them, I have never been in a situation that would have been made better by having a gun.

I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership, but the gun control laws we have now don't do much to keep guns out of the hands of irresponsible people.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:48 PM

15. Apparently the definition of "irresponsible people" does not extend to storming state

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houses of democracy with a small platoon strength army of open carry and openly angry and belligerent responsible gun owners with semi-automatic machines that are guns,.......and also bringing your kids....or any of the insane killings of innocents we see daily in America.

Think about it..daily, hourly for all we know..how on God's wonderful creation did he intend to create intentionally self inflicted mayhem like this? Whatever the validity of the right to bear arms into houses of worship, drink and law, how is this an acceptable price to pay for.....what? For ducking what?

Self defence. Defence against tyranny. Defence against being wanting to admit killing living things gives you a thrill? FOOD. Really, food? For how many do you need a killing machine for food? If you live in Deep Alaska, yes, I get your point, believe me, I do, but I do not get your nihilistic outrage.

Defence against the undercover evil in the WH, who is, in FACT, now diminished to one third of the actual government, a veto pen, and as many Executive Orders and Presidential Memos, whatever the fuck they actually, legally are? Is that it?

OPINION Answer to my own question: As much as the corporate owned and Wall Street financied media will let him get away with before they try to ring the bell, and not just whistle the dog.

Fox rang the bell long ago, now CNN is clearly fully Foxified and ringing another bell with the same message....Obama is the cause of this FEAR and Republicans will save you.

Is 30,000 gun deaths a year, half by suicide, leaving for the morgue thousands and thousands only slightly less tragic gun deaths.... acceptable?

"Truth has to play some role in any debate", as the wonderful mayor of Paris said, the woman who is about to sue the racist and violence inciting Fox News for criminal defamation. French style, for honor.

I shall have to inform Webster's Dictionary there is a unique local defintion for "irresponsible people", getting back to my point.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:39 AM

24. "Truth has to play some role in any debate"

 

Since you're so interested in truth, that's 2/3 by suicide, not 1/2.

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Response to beevul (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:02 AM

25. Are you saying the main purpose of a gun is for killing oneself?

Maybe that should be used in the ad campaigns of gun manufacturers and the NRA.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:49 PM

30. Only if one ignores the other 299,980,000+ guns in private hands that aren't used for that.

 

Only if one ignores the other 299,980,000+ guns in private hands that aren't used for that.

Do you?

Maybe that should be used in the ad campaigns of the gun grabbing goons that hide behind warm and fuzzy terminology like "reasonable" and common sense.

"We ignore that the majority of guns aren't used to kill or even shoot at others".

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Response to beevul (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:11 PM

33. 300,000,000 million guns, 30,000 gun deaths, there is no denying math, but there still is all that

NRA provided deflection for the gun nuts to grab on to like a barnacle hangs onto a rock.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:19 PM

36. You can't have them fred.

 

Because the adults say so.

That math you speak of:

If we multiply all gun deaths by a factor of ten, to 300000, and assume every death involved a different gun,

It amounts to a tenth of a percent of guns, involved in deaths.

That's right freddy, .01 percent of all guns in America are involved in gun deaths.

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Response to beevul (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:21 PM

38. Agreed. It is tragic that so few of the killing machines can cause such great carnage..but killing is what they do...

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:19 PM

16. I see years of fun competitive shooting with my family.

in 40 years of shooting I have never seen a living thing shot or killed - that is why I don't associate them with death and misery. I just remember hours of fun with family and friends.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:02 AM

22. When I see a firearm,

I see food on my table,
I see my livestock being protected from predators,
I see a fun day at the range with my friends,
I see a tool to defend myself and wife from the unlikely event of being attacked.
That's what I see.

And of course you don't see what firearms owner's, not gun loving folks, but firearm's owner see, you're mind is closed to any reason.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:50 AM

5. SA/DA is the only way to go IMHO....think Sig / CZ.



Though I must admit my next semi auto will be the Glock 40 10mm. It should take over my hiking, hunting, and general plinking duties...man I've been wanting a long slide 10mm since I sold my G20.

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Response to ileus (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:04 AM

7. Hiking? Think Bambi may spring out from the bushes and nibble you? Gunner to English translation required.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:15 AM

8. No way pip you turn Bambi into deer chili.

You can hunt with the 10mm and if outfitted with a proper optic you could deer hunt within say 40 yards. Naw for a GP hunting sidearm it's mostly for those moments when a coyote happens by while you have a bow. It's also nice just to have a little more powerful self defense firearm while out in the mountains. Now if you're fishing I normally just carry my SR22 while in the Kayak. For the ATV or Dirtbike I'll carry my LCP, and when Jeepin' the Shield. A sidearm for every activity...

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Response to ileus (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:16 AM

9. Do coyotes also make for some fine stew after a day of hiking? Killing things is fun, right?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:15 PM

19. No, but they do like our pets for dinner.

 

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Response to beevul (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 12:08 PM

27. "They do like our pets for dinner"?

You feed your pets to coyotes? Or do you send them out to play with them?
I've lived in plenty canyons with pets and lots of coyotes around. Never had that problem.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 12:31 PM

28. Never had that problem

Wish I could say that. Some coyotes owe me a very big vet bill. Yes, Ruger and Walther will collect.
That doesn't have to be in the country.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-10-15/news/sfl-flduh-pit-bull-rescues-cat-coyotes-20131014_1_pit-coyotes-cat

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:40 PM

29. Los Angeles is full of canyons

Lot of coyotes. That's nature and it's their territory. People with pets need to be aware of that and act accordingly.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:19 PM

37. true, however

coyotes have invaded the urban centers, see Florida. In my hometown, moose and deer do the same. When I was a kid (and still some degree) pronghorn would graze off lawns in the winter. Of course mt. lions would follow them looking for food. the increase in wolf population kind of cured that (and there has been a drop in pronghorn population, not near as bad as the near extinction in the 1920s). In fact about six moths ago, some asshole poached a deer while it was grazing on a doctor's office lawn (second poached in city limits.) He was caught and charged and convicted of: no hunting licence, out of season, discharging a firearm in city limits without a good reason, wanton waste (basically wasting food, that is actually the stiff penalty most serious charge.), firing across a road (well, street) and shooting from a vehicle (not within a few exceptions).
They probably threw a few more that I'm not aware of like brandishing and public endangerment. While our county jail is cleaner and more humane than Rikers Island or Sheriff Joe's tent city, it still isn't my idea of a cool vacation spot. Oh, and the gun he used and the vehicle he drove went to auction.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:52 PM

31. Of course we do.

 

And the guy in the photo I posted was trying to feed himself to them too.

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Response to beevul (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:15 PM

35. I strongly recommend a behavioral change.

If you are venturing into coyote territory, a gun is a handy thing to have. Otherwise, a big stick should suffice. I've never been attacked by coyotes, but have been attacked by domestic dogs. I was attacked by 2 boxers in a park. They came straight at me going full tilt. Fortunately, I had a weighty SLR camera, which I swung vertically and caught the lead dog hard under its jaw. The second I caught in the same place with my left foot in the same place. A goal kick.
Now, I carry a big stick when out walking or hiking.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:25 PM

39. And I strongly recommend you don't make assumptions.

 

"If you are venturing into coyote territory..."


Its not a question of "venturing into it". Its a question of almost never venturing OUT of it.

We LIVE in it.

I have two large packs come through my yard nightly. Its been like that for 11 years.

Contrary to popular belief amongst the usual suspects, there is life outside of urban centers and sailboats.





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Response to beevul (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:56 PM

40. I assume nothing

My office, in the home of my business partner, is in a similar situation to yours. Though the yard is fenced. So the coyotes don't get into the house and the dog can roam freely in the yard. The coyotes in the area lure dogs all the time. Fences come in real handy. There is a trail head 50 yards from the house into wilderness. That's what I mean when I say "venturing into coyote territory". I hike it often and always take the dog and a stick.
I spend half the year in the mountains, my friend, so I'm quite familiar with the non-urban environment. We have a lot of wild boar where I spend the summers, along with vipers and packs of dogs.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:04 AM

23. Killing coyotes keeps them from killing our livestock.

Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:39 PM

21. not Bambi,

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Response to ileus (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:10 AM

26. What's the difference between a poe and blocked bowel syndrome?

None. They are both in need of a long slide after finishing their plinking duties.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:17 AM

10. Why did he have a round chambered?

I was raised with guns, and we only loaded them when we were actually ready to use them.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:20 AM

11. Folks are forgetful.....having a gun around makes turns memory lapses into death.

"Dang, did I forget to put a bullet in the chamber of my killing machine......and where are my car keys?. Sorry, kids."

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:18 PM

12. Why does the article headline call him "Reponsible"?

 

What he did was very irresponsible.

Actual responsible gun owners would have never had the thing loaded, and probably wouldn't have been showing it off.

In my family, the girl and the mom and anyone else would have been well trained in proper and safe handling.

Very sad, this negligent discharge.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:21 PM

13. I think it was sarcastic.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:38 PM

17. Yes, it was.

The sarcasm is intended to undermine the distinction between responsible gun owners and the other kind. In other words, it intentionally misleads, and as such is nothing more than crude propaganda.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:46 PM

18. It certainly is propaganda, good thing we do not see much of that in America.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:38 PM

20. Propaganda is not a good thing.

It is the opposite of constructive discussion.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:06 PM

32. The four rules of gun safety, for those who need to be reminded:

(1) Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.
(2) Never point a gun in an unsafe direction. (If you say "But it's OK, it's unloaded", see Rule 1.)
(3) Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are on target and ready to shoot. (If you say "But it's OK, it's unloaded", see Rule 1.)
(4) Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it. (If you say "But it's OK, it's unloaded", see Rule 1.)

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Response to benEzra (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:12 PM

34. Only rule required.....you do not need a gun. No gun, no checklist, no death.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 05:30 PM

41. You are free not to own them; I choose differently.

"Only rule required.....you do not need a gun. No gun, no checklist, no death."

If you don't like guns, you are free not to own them. I and 80+ million others choose differently. As long as we are mentally competent adults with clean records, we have the right to make that choice for ourselves, thanks.

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