Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Wed Jul 1, 2015, 07:17 AM Jul 2015

Risk managers offer workplace gun violence mitigation tips

Businesses and other organizations are facing growing gun violence and need to consider it in their risk management plans.

Of 160 active shooter incidents in the U.S. between 2000 and 2013, over 80% occurred at sites where people worked, according to an FBI study published in late 2013. Nearly 70% of the incidents ended in five minutes or less, with more than half of the incidents ending before police arrived.

Employers from a wide range of sectors, including Starbucks Corp., Cigna Corp., and most recently Uber Technologies Inc., have banned guns from the workplace in an effort to protect their employees and manage risk.

Employers are also incorporating active shooter emergency drills and training employees to communicate any threats that may lead to violence

http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20150630/NEWS06/150639986/risk-managers-offer-workplace-gun-violence-mitigation-tips?tags=|83|302

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Risk managers offer workplace gun violence mitigation tips (Original Post) SecularMotion Jul 2015 OP

"with more than half of the incidents ending before police arrived." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #1

Here's a bit research and data on what it likely means discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #2

"...half of incidents ending before police arrived:" Ran out of unarmed targets/ammo? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #11

Or shot by someone defending themselves, which may explain the obfuscation. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #12

Clear out your desk Shamash Jul 2015 #3

"stop treating your employees like scum" krispos42 Jul 2015 #4

That would be a long way to get this Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #6

Why don't the insurance companies charge gun owners higher premiums? DonP Jul 2015 #5

Not BS but highly exaggerated. ManiacJoe Jul 2015 #13

SPAM® Musubi sarisataka Jul 2015 #7

SPAM Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #8

I do not now, nor have I ever sarisataka Jul 2015 #10

I took the "active shooter" inservice at my hospital.... ileus Jul 2015 #9

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

1. "with more than half of the incidents ending before police arrived."

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 07:37 AM

Jul 2015

The remainder of the article is curiously silent on what that means.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)

2. Here's a bit research and data on what it likely means

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:41 AM

Jul 2015

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

11. "...half of incidents ending before police arrived:" Ran out of unarmed targets/ammo? nt

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:02 PM

Jul 2015

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

12. Or shot by someone defending themselves, which may explain the obfuscation.

Reply to Eleanors38 (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:16 PM

Jul 2015

Shamash

(597 posts)

3. Clear out your desk

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:51 AM

Jul 2015

Jeremy Hoven was fired from a Walgreens in Benton Harbor in 2011, eight days after shooting at armed robbers who entered the store during his overnight shift.

Walgreens was within its rights to fire him, however. It was a private workplace and he was an at-will employee who could have been fired at any time for any reason ("Plaid socks? Yer outta here!&quot . So, while I support self-defense I have to respect Walgreen's rights as an employer. But what I find darkly humorous about this case is that Walgreens fired him for self-defense but would have profited had he been killed by the armed robbers. You see, Walgreens takes out life insurance on its employees, payable to Walgreens...

In related news, the utility of that FBI study has been called into question by sources on both sides of the gun issue. Here's an example from reliably anti-gun Time magazine:

Why the FBI Report That Mass Shootings Are Up Can Be Misleading

USA Today also has some skepticism:
'Active shooter' incidents on the rise

Employers are also incorporating active shooter emergency drills

In case of an active shooter incident:
1. Call Human Resources and complain that someone is violating the "no guns in the workplace policy"...

krispos42

(49,445 posts)

4. "stop treating your employees like scum"

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:05 PM

Jul 2015

Is that on the list? Benefits? Opportunity? Respect? Respectable pay?

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

6. That would be a long way to get this

Reply to krispos42 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 09:53 PM

Jul 2015

DonP

(6,185 posts)

5. Why don't the insurance companies charge gun owners higher premiums?

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:13 PM

Jul 2015

While the risk managers are giving advice, maybe they can explain why the premiums for gun owners aren't any higher than for the people with "high moral principles" that don't own all those dangerous guns?

You'd think that they would know how much riskier it is to have guns in their home (what is it now, 43, 12 or 158 times more likely?) and charge accordingly, wouldn't you?

Or is that "more dangerous" story pure BS?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)

13. Not BS but highly exaggerated.

Reply to DonP (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:00 AM

Jul 2015

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)

7. SPAM® Musubi

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:54 PM

Jul 2015

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1 whole sheet nori
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How in the Holey Hades will a no weapons policy mitigate an active shooter situation?

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

8. SPAM

Reply to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:34 AM

Jul 2015

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)

10. I do not now, nor have I ever

Reply to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:30 AM

Jul 2015

worked for the Hormel Corporation

But SPAM is good- I have lots of recipes.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

9. I took the "active shooter" inservice at my hospital....

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:23 AM

Jul 2015

For the most part the plan is "Run and Hide"

I guess since they insist on disarming us and making us easy victims that's a pretty good plan.

I did read a article yesterday where a uber driver poked some holes in a guy trying to rob him. That's how you plan for an attack.

I think we can all agree making people easy victims isn't a wise defensive plan...

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