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Related: About this forumGunfight or Flee: New Study Finds No Advantages to Using a Firearm in Self-Defense Situations
A 2014 Gallup poll suggests that Americans increasingly perceive owning firearms as an effective means of self-defense having a gun makes one less likely to become a victim of a crime. But as Hemenways study demonstrates, this belief is not supported by crime statistics. Contrary to what many gun advocates argue, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data reveals that having a gun provides no statistically significant benefit to a would-be victim during a criminal confrontation.
The study found that in incidents where a victim used a gun in self-defense, the likelihood of suffering an injury was 10.9 percent. Had the victim taken no action at all, the risk of injury was virtually identical: 11 percent. Having a gun also didnt reduce the likelihood of losing property: 38.5 percent of those who used a gun in self-defense had property taken from them, compared to 34.9 percent of victims who used another type of weapon, such as a knife or baseball bat.
Whats more, the study found that while the likelihood of injury after brandishing a firearm was reduced to 4.1 percent, the injury rate after those defensive gun uses was similar to using any other weapon (5.3 percent), and was still greater than if the person had run away or hid (2.4 percent) or called the police (2.2 percent). These results were similar to previous research on older NCVS data which showed that, while using a firearm in self-defense did lower a persons risk of subsequent injury, it was less effective than using any weapon other than a gun.
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/
Shamash
(597 posts)That is, which is more likely to be accurate:
a) An aggregate of studies on the subject vetted by the CDC and a panel of experts on the subject of firearm violence?
b) A single study by an economist with an anti-gun bias, as reported in a link to an anti-gun website?
Just checking because the CDC said the exact opposite of what you cut & pasted. I wanted to see what you consider good standards for reporting on the subject and whether or not a pro-gun paper that one of us linked to at the NRA web site would be equally credible in your eyes.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)That invalidates the previous Controller meme that having a gun makes it worse by some obviously absurd number like 44:1.
However, the study says --
That assumes you can run away or call the police.
If you can't? Use a gun.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...paying to read another biased study from Hemenway. Dave Hemenway is the Colonel Klink of self-defense. If your not sure what's best, just check with Dave and do the opposite.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)peer reviewed study.
What are your thoughts? Would you like to discuss them as per the group SOP.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)whose chair at Harvard is funded by the same people who astro turf the Brady Campaign, that shows up in a medical magazine instead of a criminology magazine, and is reprinted in a website created by Bloomberg to be the prohibitionists gunssaveslives.com
The CDC did a survey of studies of real criminologists published in peer review criminology publications, found the exact opposite after years of believing the movies.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Example: I am in very good shape from an endurance standpoint (serious cyclist...). But I'm also quite small and not particularly powerful. I could probably outdistance most potential attackers over time. However, that does me no good if they can out-sprint me over the first 50 yards. One critical element of my fight-or-flight decision would have to be whether or not I thought I could out-sprint my attacker, then keep going if he didn't break off the attack. If I think I can do so, great. Running away is vastly preferable to shooting him and dealing with the legal system shitstorm and the emotional impact that accompanies even the most justifiable killing of another human being. If I think he* can haul me down in the first few yards, I'm going to fight back instead (and in such cases I prefer to fight with a firearm, by far the most effective way of doing so).
I'll take a look at this research, though. A close look, as I'm distrustful of Hemenway's methodologies, having seen a fair bit of cherry-picking in some of his previous research (and yes, I'm very well qualified indeed to do this...I can get into that, if anyone's interested). But this is a rather different conclusion from that presented by the CDC, so it bears further examination.
* I use "he" because probability strongly favors an attacker being a young-ish male...but a larger, stronger attacker than me could certainly be a female (I'm small even for a woman).
sarisataka
(18,636 posts)The meat and potatoes to this recipe isnt just meat and potatoes. Its smooth pimento cheese, flavorful bell peppers and tasty seasonings. It takes an ordinary classic into an extraordinary meal. Your Great-Great-Grandma would be proud of this great-great meal.
Ingredients
1 12-ounce can SPAM® Classic, diced
1 tablespoon butter
1/2 medium red bell pepper, diced
12 ounces whipped pimento spread
24 baby red potatoes, cut in half
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon black pepper
2 tablespoons olive oil
2 tablespoons chopped chives, for garnish
1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
Directions Launch Kitchen View
1Preheat oven to 400°F. In large skillet, in butter, heat the SPAM® Classic until lightly browned. Drain well.
2Whip the pimento cheese spread in a blender until smooth. Place pimento cheese spread in a large bowl. Add the SPAM® Classic (reserve about 1/3 for garnish) and diced red bell pepper.
3Thoroughly wash and clean the potatoes. Cut in half and scoop out the center of each with a spoon or Parisian scoop. Mix the olive oil, salt and pepper in a bowl. Coat the potato halves with the mixture and place on a baking sheet, cut side down. Bake at 400°F for about 25 minutes or until soft when pierced with a knife.
4Remove from oven and fill center with the SPAMento cheese mixture. Garnish the filled potatoes with the reserves SPAM® Classic, chives and a dusting of cayenne pepper, if desired. Serve immediately. Makes 48.
I put more faith in the CDC (you know, that one that pro-control groups want to study gun violence) and the FBI who have a different opinion based on their data.
Straw Man
(6,624 posts)I wonder why that is.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Here's that rat-bastard liberal criminologist that kicks Hemenway's backside:
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Thanks for posting.