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Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:11 PM

Stag Arms goes down

http://www.courant.com/breaking-/hc-stag-arms-guilty-plea-federal-court-1223-20151222-story.html

HARTFORD New Britain-based Stag Firearms LLC pleaded guilty Tuesday to violating federal firearms laws and as part of a plea agreement company president and owner Mark Malkowski agreed to sell the company and have no further ownership or management role in a gun manufacturer.

The company, with Malkowski serving as its representative, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Hartford to a single felony count of possession of a machine gun not registered to the company.


Reminds me of the sad days when Cavalry Arms was closed down. Can't be sloppy with gun inventory.

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Reply Stag Arms goes down (Original post)
aikoaiko Dec 2015 OP
thereismore Dec 2015 #1
JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #2
thereismore Dec 2015 #3
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #4
virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #15
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #5
thereismore Dec 2015 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #11
Doc_Technical Dec 2015 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #12
tortoise1956 Dec 2015 #16
thereismore Dec 2015 #22
DonP Dec 2015 #24
thereismore Dec 2015 #25
DonP Dec 2015 #27
krispos42 Dec 2015 #18
Waldorf Dec 2015 #19
benEzra Dec 2015 #28
thereismore Dec 2015 #29
benEzra Dec 2015 #30
thereismore Dec 2015 #31
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #32
mwrguy Dec 2015 #6
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #7
aikoaiko Dec 2015 #8
DonP Dec 2015 #13
aikoaiko Dec 2015 #14
GGJohn Dec 2015 #17
Waldorf Dec 2015 #20
dairydog91 Dec 2015 #21
aikoaiko Dec 2015 #23
Historic NY Dec 2015 #26

Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:15 PM

1. Semi autos should be treated as full autos and we're getting somewhere. nt

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:25 PM

2. Semi auto?

Is that half a car?

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Response to JonathanRackham (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:56 PM

3. semi-automatic firearms. nt

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Response to thereismore (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:23 PM

4. that is why gun control

 

Goes nowhere.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:51 PM

15. This outlook is part of the reason why we have become a regional party..

I hope you enjoy watching the rest of the agenda get kicked aside...

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:25 PM

5. What all would you include in that list of semi-autos?

Examples, please.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:58 PM

9. Jeez. I'd think people generally

Know what those are. Google it.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:07 PM

11. So everything

AR-15s, almost all varmint rifles, all semi-auto pistols, double action revolvers back to the 19th century, etc.
I understand "semi-auto". I also understand hyperbole but in this case I inferred correctly that you were being unreasonably ridiculous rather than engaging in hyperbole. Carry on. While you're at it, why not suggest passing a law making bullets $80 each?

For that matter, if you get any of that done, pass a law mandating rainwater be composed of Guiness. Thanks.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:59 PM

10. Semi-automatic firearms.

handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc.
Ruger mini 14, AR-15, Mac 10/11, Tec 9, M1911 colt design handguns,
Winchester Super X3 shotgun, Glock semi-auto handguns, Ruger 10/22,
Desert Eagle handguns, Ak-47 style rifles such as the IMI Galil rifle,etc.

I think you get the idea.

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Response to Doc_Technical (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:08 PM

12. I'm honored to be the recipient of your post #2222

And please see post #11.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:32 PM

16. Here's a partial list of guns that would be banned under your proposal...

My Beretta A400 Trap shotgun
My wife's Hi-Standard .22 pistol that her great uncle bought new in 1933 when he lived right outside Yosemite
The .22 rifle my dad used in the '20s and '30s for rabbit hunting
Every M1 Garand ever manufactured
Millions of .22 rifles that have been made and used for hunting small game for over a hundred years

Did you think this out before you posted? Just asking...because I would venture that a large minority, if not a majority, of rural democratic families have something in their house that would fall under this ban. How many of them would jump ship if they told thy had to give up Dad's, or maybe Granddad's gun?

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Response to tortoise1956 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:15 AM

22. The ban would be on new sales and re-sales. The existing semi-automatics

could be retained by owners provided they are registered and liability insurance is paid on each one.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:49 AM

24. The NRA thanks you for your generosity and support

 

As the leading provider of firearm related liability insurance the NRA thanks you for several million new dues paying members if/when your plan goes through.

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Response to DonP (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:51 AM

25. There would be an open market for firearm insurance, don't worry.

And if NRA provides legitimate insurance, good.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:15 PM

27. Pssst, liability insurance does not cover criminal or negligent actions

 

So what exactly is the insurance for?

Oh, and it's an open market for liability insurance right now.

Other companies aren't in it because the NRA offers it with a discount for members and they can't make a reasonable profit.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:11 AM

18. Your position is far more logical and consistent...

...than those that support "assault weapon" bans.


I disagree with you, but I respect your position.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:36 AM

19. No, they should not.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:47 PM

28. That's as ridiculous as claiming that beer should be treated like cocaine.

"Semiautomatic" is how the overwhelming majority of civilian guns work. It means a gun that fires once and only once when the trigger is pulled.

An office stapler is semiauto; a sewing machine is automatic. Methinks you are either conflating the two, or else don't realize that you're advocating banning and confiscating most of the civilian guns in U.S. homes.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:44 PM

29. Hahaha you really think you need to explain to me

what a semi-auto means. Condescending much?

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Response to thereismore (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:58 PM

30. Given that you blithely suggested a proposal that wouldn't even fly in Europe...

without so much as a "in my ideal end state" caveat, then yes, I figured you were one of those that didn't fully understand the scope of what you were advocating.

It is my experience that the majority of gun control advocates and journalists think that "semiautomatic" describes niche weapons that constitute the minority of guns sold and fire faster than "typical" civilian guns, rather than one-shot-at-a-time weapons that constitute 75% of the civilian market.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:29 PM

31. Then lecture them on what semiautomatic means. nt

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Response to benEzra (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:58 PM

32. friendly...

...down right cordial, too.

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Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:50 PM

6. ONE DOWN

Many more to go.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:53 PM

7. Will that "one" still be down...

...when the business is sold and new management takes over?

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:56 PM

8. They will probably sell out to another company who will keep manufacturing.


Calvary Arms, the company I mentioned in my OP, also did something shady that led them to close down and I just read that they were bought up and their speciality firearms were being manufacturered a couple of years later in 2012. Stag has firearms has a good product reputation.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/04/foghorn/cav-15-returns-to-production-now-on-sale/


Still, if Stag was screwing up, they need to be held accountable.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:11 PM

13. Odds are, a larger company with better financials and more promotional $$$ will pick them up

 

Ergo more Stag Arms rifles going out the door.

It really is "sad" (and by sad I mean ironic and funny ha ha) that even when the gun control fans get all excited about things like this, it usually results in more gun sales and a continuation of the falling violent crime rate. And that makes them even more frustrated.

As a Southpaw rifle shooter (cross dominance) I wouldn't mind having one of their lefty uppers.

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Response to DonP (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:48 PM

14. I remember when Stag Arms came around just as the AWB sunset.


They defined the middle grade market that was completely reliable for range and light general use, but they didn't break the bank to own. If I remember correctly, it was well into 2003 that rifle recommendations were limited to the ABCs or CRAB if you liked Rock River. After Stag came around a lot more companies came on the market. Stag paved the way.

I think I have a couple of stripped Stag lowers in the trunk.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:00 AM

17. One goes down,

10 more start up.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:38 AM

20. It's not going anywhere. It's in the process of being sold to a new owner.

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Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:49 AM

21. This doesn't surprise me.

You take a bunch of gun aficionados, frequently from military backgrounds, then put them in a factory where you have machines which allow you to literally push a button and create gun parts. If you don't tightly monitor your inventory and all uses of the machines, some shit is gonna start walking.

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Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:37 AM

23. Of course, the BATFE knows all about missing guns.



http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atf-agents-lost-track-of-dozens-of-their-own-guns-reports-show-b99213499z1-247182581.html

ATF agents have lost track of dozens of government-issued guns, after stashing them under the front seats in their cars, in glove compartments or simply leaving them on top of their vehicles and driving away, according to internal reports from the past five years obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.



Ooops.

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Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:15 PM

26. Obliterated serial numbers...

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